[Trade] Eichel + 3rd to Vegas for Tuch, Krebs, 1st, 3rd

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Our great start is also on the backs of:

Lindholm shooting 29.2%
Mangiapane shooting 35%
Markstrom rolling a 1.56 and .947

Now, systematic play has been strong - but something tells me the numbers above aren't quite going to stand up over the course of the season.

The team has 5v5 xGF% of 55.06% and a GF% of 65.81% so maybe it'll still drop off closer to the expected number, but I think you're overstating the SH% side of things.

As Mangiapane's goals start become saves, there will be rebounds available for his linemates to cash in on. Though he's been shooting around 19% the last few seasons so it won't be a huge swing.

Likewise, Lindholm's goals will be replaced by more Gaudreau and Tkachuk goals.

Overall, the Flames are currently 19th in 5v5 SH%. I expect upwards regression where guys like Gaudreau, Tkachuk, Dube, Monahan, Backlund, Andersson, Hanifin start scoring more. For reference the 2018-21 Flames have been 8th in SH% over a 208 game sample.

The teamwide SH% boost should counter the likely reality that Markstrom's hot week was probably just that. As long as Markstrom can be average (i.e. not the clear worse goaltender in a game where he faces 20ish shots) I think we'll be fine.

[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

We don't know. Friedman said "3 top prospects" was in the offer from the Flames...I would assume those two would be part of that "3 top prospects" conversation.

That's exactly it.. we don't know. Adam Ruzicka or William Stromgren could be a top prospect for all we know.

Pelletier - QMJHL career - 1.31 PT/s G - NHLE of 30.
Krebs - WHL career - 1.16 PT/s G - NHLE of 29.

Pelletier - WJC - 7 points in 7 games
Krebs - WJC - 8 points in 7 games

Pelletier - AHL - 8 points in 6 games
Krebs - AHL - 10 points in 7 games

Both first round picks. Please explain to me this monumental gap there is between these two. Why should we view them in completely different lights simply because they are Flames prospects?

Originally Posted by GioforPM

One thing - Krebs can play in the Sabres' lineup right now. Zary can't.

Zary should be playing within a week or two.

[GhostCookie]

Originally Posted by guzzy

My bad. So they would have made a paper transaction to clear the space and put Eichel on LTIR. Same ####, different pile

The problem is that the Flames didn't have the parts to just "paper transaction" nearly 10 million away. Vegas did because everyone but the mascot seems to be injured right now. Seriously, I wouldn't be surprised if tomorrow it's announced their play by play guy has laryngitis.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GhostCookie

As I understood it, Kadri believed by refusing the trade, he just wouldn't be traded. So it wasn't even about preferring somewhere else to Calgary as much as it was just trying to stay put.

Oh, I understand that fully. It backfired on him, but I suspect he thought "at least I'm going to a ready made cup contender". And then he proceeded to get suspended in the POs and the Avs got knocked out by Vegas.

[Reign of Fire]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

None of the other trades BT 'missed out on' bother me. But this one felt like the timing was right for the Flames. Lets hope the 1st round pick we kept turns into a star.

When was the last time Flames last drafted a bonafide star in the first rd? They miss more often than not.

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[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

That's exactly it.. we don't know. Adam Ruzicka or William Stromgren could be a top prospect for all we know.

Pelletier - QMJHL career - 1.31 PT/s G - NHLE of 30.
Krebs - WHL career - 1.16 PT/s G - NHLE of 29.

Pelletier - WJC - 7 points in 7 games
Krebs - WJC - 8 points in 7 games

Pelletier - AHL - 8 points in 6 games
Krebs - AHL - 10 points in 7 games

Both first round picks. Please explain to me this monumental gap there is between these two. Why should we view them in completely different lights simply because they are Flames prospects?




Zary should be playing within a week or two.

Until Zary plays, he's not. Even playing, he'd need AHL rehab time. I bet Krebs suits up as a Sabre asap.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

That's exactly it.. we don't know. Adam Ruzicka or William Stromgren could be a top prospect for all we know.

Pelletier - QMJHL career - 1.31 PT/s G - NHLE of 30.
Krebs - WHL career - 1.16 PT/s G - NHLE of 29.

Pelletier - WJC - 7 points in 7 games
Krebs - WJC - 8 points in 7 games

Pelletier - AHL - 8 points in 6 games
Krebs - AHL - 10 points in 7 games

Both first round picks. Please explain to me this monumental gap there is between these two.

Krebs is from Calgary, and all of that Quebecois Pelletier's points are a result of Equalization Payments.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Newy may have been elite, that's not my point at all. He certainly was an elite rookie. But rookie success can't = elite all by itself.

Being in the HOF =/= elite player IMO.

As for Newy, unfortunately he never equaled the stats success he had in his first three seasons. Fortunately it didn't matter - he won rings everywhere he went, either as the centrepiece or as a great complementary guy.

What’s a better universal measuring stick for elite than the HHOF? Of course Nieuwendyk was elite when he played here and not just because he won 3 cups in his career. Named to two Olympic teams is a big deal.

This discussion started with a ridiculous assertion Flames have never had an elite C, went to a needless Kevin Lowe reference and here we are.

If we are debating whether a former player is elite then yeah, whether they are in the HHOF is hugely relevant. Might there be an exception? Of course. Not in this case.

[Bonded]

Whatever. Pelletier-Zary-Coronato will be the best third line in the league next year

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

That's exactly it.. we don't know. Adam Ruzicka or William Stromgren could be a top prospect for all we know.

If those were the prospects offered than the Flames didn't table an offer. Neither of those guys would considered top prospects.

[FlamesAddiction]

I am willing to bet that Wolf was one of the prospects involved, just with the glut of goaltenders in the system and that he would be the only one that is firmly a top prospect at this moment. Hopefully Chechelev changes that though.

[Maritime Q-Scout]

I'll admit, I'm *not* good at projecting players and the future... like... at all.

That said, my gut says that Eikel has Prince Fielder written all over him. I can totally see him not coming back from his neck surgery and being the same player.

Again I have nothing but my gut, which is ... often wrong.

Maybe we dodged a bullet?

But since he's going to Vegas, probably not.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

What’s a better universal measuring stick for elite than the HHOF? Of course Nieuwendyk was elite when he played here and not just because he won 3 cups in his career. Named to two Olympic teams is a big deal.

This discussion started with a ridiculous assertion Flames have never had an elite C, went to a needless Kevin Lowe reference and here we are.

If we are debating whether a former player is elite then yeah, whether they are in the HHOF is hugely relevant. Might there be an exception? Of course. Not in this case.

I guess it depends on what your definition of elite would encompass. Would only a select few players be considered elite, since 1980 — Gretzky, Messier, Lemieux, Yzerman, Lidstrom, Bourque, Hasek, Roy, Brodeur, Crosby, Ovechkin, McDavid. Those players who would fit into a best in their position of all time discussion. I don't think that anyone would lump Nieuwendyk into that group. Not a slight against him but just an honest statement about his entire career (and not just his production as a rookie).

[united]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Until Zary plays, he's not. Even playing, he'd need AHL rehab time. I bet Krebs suits up as a Sabre asap.

You may have seen this already - hard to keep up in giant thread - but the Sabres already sent Krebs to the minors.

Sabres reassign Krebs to Rochester

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Gilmour was an elite C in Calgary and criminally underrated by people like you it would seem.

You know a big reason why the Calgary Flames steamrollered the NHL with 117 points and plus 128 goal differential? They had two elite centers, the most important position on the ice. And they rather easily handled one of your elite C's in the playoffs.

What a weird argument to make. Very random.

I hate Doug Gilmour for quitting on the team, but he should have won the Conn Smythe that year.

[madmike]

Originally Posted by Reign of Fire

When was the last time Flames last drafted a bonafide star in the first rd? They miss more often than not.

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Tkachuk? Bennett? Pre-injury Monahan? Those have all been stars at one point or another. If you mean a superstar it’s been a while. But it’s more because they refuse to tank than bad drafting. If you want a superstar you’d better finish in the bottom 3.

Their drafting over the last few years has been rock solid considering where they’ve been picking.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by united

You may have seen this already - hard to keep up in giant thread - but the Sabres already sent Krebs to the minors.

Sabres reassign Krebs to Rochester

They did have 24 players on their roster after the trade, so someone had to go down.

But yeah, Krebs hasn't really shown anything that indicates he is NHL ready just yet. Small sample size of course.

[Spinach]

Tuch was a hell of a playoff performer for Vegas. I'm surprised they gave him up, though they needed to clear cap space to make room for Eichel, and the Sabres wouldn't just take trash back.

[Knightslayer]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Until Zary plays, he's not. Even playing, he'd need AHL rehab time. I bet Krebs suits up as a Sabre asap.

You'd lose that bet though because Krebs is going down to the AHL right away.

Edit: beaten

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Spinach

Tuch was a hell of a playoff performer for Vegas. I'm surprised they gave him up, though they needed to clear cap space to make room for Eichel, and the Sabres wouldn't just take trash back.

Much better than taking one year of Smith