[PST] Quarter Finals: Montreal Canadiens vs. Winnipeg Jets - HABS WIN SERIES 4-0

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

This is arguably the lowest of low bars for an NHL GM.

I'd love to see a poll here of who is the better gm, treliving vs bergevin.

[Stanley]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

I'd love to see a poll here of who is the better gm, treliving vs bergevin.

A few years ago I would have probably said Tre, but I'm not so sure anymore.
Say what you want about Berg, but he had one heck of an offseason last year...Anderson's contract is yikes but Toffoli, Perry and Allen are home runs.

[jlh2640]

Was originally cheering for WIN until that chicken s%$# hit by Scheifle and Maurice's comments on it afterwards. Karma is good in this case

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Stanley

Oh right, the "they only made it because of their goalie" argument. Love that one. Shame on them for having Price as their goaltender.

And what does having Price have to do with Bergevin? Except he fired Price’s goalie coach and supremely pissed him off.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

I'd love to see a poll here of who is the better gm, treliving vs bergevin.

Probably a wash as they both built mediocre rosters and should probably be one and done as NHL GM. Bergevin has had a much better calendar year and has better prospects in their system.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

I'd love to see a poll here of who is the better gm, treliving vs bergevin.

On the basis of being able to sign right wingers alone, it is obviously Bergevin

Bergevin hilariously signs three (3) top 9 RWs in Toffoli, Anderson and Perry, while Treliving signs none and is here explaining how decisions you make during the off season can’t be made with just a short term focus, but have to balance the… (*yawn)

[Jiri Hrdina]

^He didn't "sign" Anderson - he traded for him and then signed him to a new deal.

Big difference. We don't need to frame things inaccurately to paint the most negative picture possible by making it seem like Anderson was out there available just to be signed. He wasn't a free agent like Perry and Toffoli.

But thank god we have another thread to discuss and criticize the GM, instead of allowing this thread to be focused on the actual topic.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

^He didn't "sign" Anderson - he traded for him and then signed him to a new deal.

Big difference. We don't need to frame things inaccurately to paint the most negative picture possible by making it seem like Anderson was out there available just to be signed.

But thank god we have another thread to discuss and criticize the GM, instead of allowing this thread to be focused on the actual topic.

So … he signed him

[Jiri Hrdina]

You listed him as someone he signed along with two others free agents, inferring that he could have been signed by Tree. He could not have - without trading for him first.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

You listed him as someone he signed along with two others free agents, inferring that he could have been signed by Tree. He could not have - without trading for him first.

Your inference. Not my statement and not my intent

Tre has the avenue of trade available too

Habs filled a roster hole, made the playoffs and are having success. Signed right wingers

It is really pretty basic blocking and tackling for a GM. You would think

[Jiri Hrdina]

An accurate statement would have been that he was able to acquire 3 quality RWs during the off-season, by trading and signing one, and signing two others.
But we don't even know if the available free agents would have signed in Calgary. The notion that because one team was able to sign a player that the Flames should have or could have is a fallacy.

Including because we should come to grips with the idea that Calgary is probably one of THE least desirable teams to sign with.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

On the basis of being able to sign right wingers alone, it is obviously Bergevin

Bergevin hilariously signs three (3) top 9 RWs in Toffoli, Anderson and Perry, while Treliving signs none and is here explaining how decisions you make during the off season can’t be made with just a short term focus, but have to balance the… (*yawn)

As much of a gem Looch is, signing Neal screwed us from making an offer to Toffoli.

It’s a damn shame, especially when you consider how many RS forwards Montreal has compared to us. They have Suzuki, Caulfield, Toffoli, Andersson, Gallagher, Perry, Armia, and Evans.

Even if you take out Perry and Armia as UFAs it still destroys our outlook on that front.

We have Lindholm under contract and that is it.

[dino7c]

Without covid Montreal misses the playoffs the last two seasons...it's hard to give their GM too much credit. The Flames were ridiculously bad yet won more games than the Habs.

They were 18th out of 31 teams.

3rd round will be 1 or 2 vs. 18...is that the biggest gap ever? You guys can tell yourselves they have a chance but I just don't see it. Leafs/Jets missing top players are not even in the same stratosphere as the other teams remaining.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Yeah as someone else mentioned, the Habs run actually reinforces the mistaken approach the Flames have to "just get in and see what happens".
Though I would also say that if you are going to take that approach you better have a world class goalie.
It'll be interesting to see how they do in the semi finals and if they turn into a pumpkin.

[Beatle17]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

As much of a gem Looch is, signing Neal screwed us from making an offer to Toffoli.

It’s a damn shame, especially when you consider how many RS forwards Montreal has compared to us. They have Suzuki, Caulfield, Toffoli, Andersson, Gallagher, Perry, Armia, and Evans.

Even if you take out Perry and Armia as UFAs it still destroys our outlook on that front.

We have Lindholm under contract and that is it.

Are right shot forwards better than left shot forwards. 6/10 top scorers in regular season were left shot forwards, so what is the magic that RS have?

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

I'm just going to go ahead and predict they get absolutely obliterated. Have you guys been watching Vegas / Colorado? It's like they're playing an entirely different sport from this series.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Beatle17

Are right shot forwards better than left shot forwards. 6/10 top scorers in regular season were left shot forwards, so what is the magic that RS have?

You should have both on your team - it helps with transition, it helps in the offensive zone, etc. The Flames have hardly any good ones. And the two RHS with the most skill both play centre.

6/10 of the top scorers being LHS is merely a reflection of the abundance of LHS in the league. I suspect it’s actually an over representation. I’d bet the league is more than 60% LHS.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

I'm just going to go ahead and predict they get absolutely obliterated. Have you guys been watching Vegas / Colorado? It's like they're playing an entirely different sport from this series.

I suspect you are right.
But dear lord what does that say about the Jets?
And does that say about the Oilers?

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Let me know what you like after the reality check next week

Habs were so awesome and shrewd with their moves they won 24 of 56 games

Anyway I never said anything about Leivo or anyone else...I said I would rather have Markstrom moving forward than Perry/TT

Carey Price only played 25 games - maybe that played a role.

Look, I don’t think the Habs are legit, I think they’re frauds propped up by elite goaltending. And I haven’t ever seen a team win with this sort of makeup.

But they have 31, and he makes them believe in miracles.

Going forward, they’re probably best off to have Price get whatever surgery he needs in August, give him until February to rehab, and then give him 20 games at the end of the year to get in shape for the playoffs.

[dino7c]

Don't forget it was the Jets missing 2 of their best skaters for most of the series