I bit hard to people saying he pays no tax when he clearly does. Maybe the whitehouse released a statement before it broke because Maddow was crowing all day about having his tax return. You guys can speculate all you want if he payed 25% or 26% but he pays tax.
Want to tell us why he won't release his tax returns?
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I bit hard to people saying he pays no tax when he clearly does. Maybe the whitehouse released a statement before it broke because Maddow was crowing all day about having his tax return. You guys can speculate all you want if he payed 25% or 26% but he pays tax.
The ONE data point shows he paid tax in that tax year...the rest is all speculation. But there is obviously something he doesn't want to reveal...Personally, I believe he is keeping his tax returns on the down low because he has received yuuuge investments from Russians in his businesses.
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Which is well below the percentage I paid. Poor Donald. He also didn't pay a cent for 20 years prior, and we have can't prove what he has paid since 2005, because he's hiding his returns.
Yeah and how many jobs did you provide for citizens and illegal workers? It works both ways, there needs to be incentive to do business. Trump isn't the only rich person to find ways to pay less taxes. They all do because they can.
That's one of the reasons for many GOP voters being on board with kicking out illegals and buying into slogans like "they are stealing our jobs"...
if people were working, that kind of sloganeering doesn't work.
Trump's hardline stance is something that affects all illegal immigrants, even those that are hard working and law abiding... its not a position based on an understanding of the implications.
Obama proposed a path to citizenship at least, which provided the opportunity for amnesty and a way forward for those illegal immigrants to come forward.
Or kick out the illegals: just wait for prices of dairy and farming to go through the roof...
Obama also deported more illegals then any other president to date. The point is it's illegal, either you support the rule of law or you don't.
Make it easier for buiss to operate and they likely wouldn't have to hire illegal workers. They found ways to operate a strong economy before NAFTA which created most of this mess.
Obama also deported more illegals then any other president to date. The point is it's illegal, either you support the rule of law or you don't.
Make it easier for buiss to operate and they likely wouldn't have to hire illegal workers. They found ways to operate a strong economy before NAFTA which created most of this mess.
The interesting thing is that automation is coming in a BIG way and will offer business owners a fantastic option to increase profits...too bad about those jobs though.
Blue collar (and white collar) workers have more to fear from robots and AI than from Mexicans...
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Yeah, they're looking for work that would pay them the way their fathers were paid in the coal mines--comfortable for raising a family on a single income, with pensions and health coverage because they were union jobs. They're not looking for jobs making 7.25/hr. Those jobs exist. Those jobs are the ones often held by undocumented immigrants. Undocumented immigrants aren't taking 50k/year jobs, they're taking 15-18k/year jobs. You can't raise a family on 18k/year, and you sure as hell can't retire on it. Getting rid of undocumented immigrants isn't helping dying coal towns.
If you want to panic about immigrants, worry about the legal immigrants who get their affordable medical schooling in other countries and then are highly in demand in the US, willing to work in smaller communities because they don't have $250k in student loan debt like American students accrue. And then while you're thinking about, think of the fact that American students cannot afford to work in those small dying coal towns because they won't make enough money to pay their student loan payments every month, and wonder why it is that we as a country apparently don't care enough about those people in those small towns to simply ensure that they have access to a damn doctor.
When undocumented immigrants live here, they often obtain social security numbers illegally in order to be employed. They're then taxed the same as citizens are, federal, state, local taxes taken from their paychecks. Those undocumented immigrants however cannot obtain any of the perks of citizenship, despite paying taxes into the system.
Immigration needs a massive overhaul, absolutely, but immigrants aren't the cause of the lion's share of problems in this country. Our excessive need to police the entire planet is most of the issue, and politicians' desire to cozy up to corporate interests is another huge part. In the grand scheme of things, undocumented immigration is a miniscule problem in this country, it's just a really easy bogeyman for guys like Trump to point at while he's stealing from blue collar workers to build his casinos and hotels that he then staffs with immigrant workers on temporary visas rather than hiring actual citizens because he'd have to pay them more and provide healthcare.
The point is a country that has high rates of unemployment should look within it's borders to fill it's labour needs before allowing illegals to work illegally. If the government would stop over regulating and actually let the market work, the economy would improve and the people would be getting a better wage.
Since you mentioned education, why is it so expensive to go to post secondary? It might have something to do with the government guaranteeing student loans and debt, so of course the price will keep going up as a result.
If you stole a car, ran your errands and brought it back to the place you found it and left $10 on the dash, is that still illegal? Of course it is, that's the point. Respect the rule of law and go through the proper channels.
I agree with your last point, but that's most politicians. Trump did hammer the immigration issue and he likely did win because of it. I'd call it savy campaigning and being in touch with the voters.
No coalminer from Pennsylvania is lining up to pick oranges for a minuscule wage in Florida. On the other hand, without the illegals, wages w]could go up and maybe that guy would want to do it. And then he can't buy an orange because goddamn they are expensive because wow it costs a lot to pay someone 15 bucks an hour (way less than he was paid in that long lost coal mine, mind you) so the prices are just too much for a guy who picks fruit for a living.
America was built and much of it lives on cheap labor. That's the way they've set it up. Can't really blame the guy at the bottom for the situation. It's like blaming the stick boy if there's a lockout in the NHL.
And what's this about tax dodgers going to jail? The president himself is a tax dodger. He's not in jail.
And yet if you look back previously to America back in the 1950's, they had some of the highest wages for workers and some of the best and cheapest goods. That's what happens when the market is free to operate without government regulations.
So do you have actual proof that Trump hasn't paid taxes? What years and when? The one piece that got leaked showed he paid quite a large sum, more then most will make in a lifetime.
The interesting thing is that automation is coming in a BIG way and will offer business owners a fantastic option to increase profits...too bad about those jobs though.
Blue collar (and white collar) workers have more to fear from robots and AI than from Mexicans...
And yet if you look back previously to America back in the 1950's, they had some of the highest wages for workers and some of the best and cheapest goods. That's what happens when the market is free to operate without government regulations.
So do you have actual proof that Trump hasn't paid taxes? What years and when? The one piece that got leaked showed he paid quite a large sum, more then most will make in a lifetime.
You know what else they had in the 1950's? Ubiquitous Unions that protected the working class from the 'free market'...so I think you are 100% wrong to think that less institutions leads to more wealth for the average person (less government regulations works great for the elite capitalists though.)
Of course no one has any proof...all we have is the 2005 return and proof that Trump thinks that releasing his returns is not in his interests. If he paid decent taxes he would be well-served to release them...there is a BIG reason why he puts up with the nagging for his returns.
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Of course, on the other hand, when you don't regulate a free market you get the sub-prime lending crisis, rampant exploitation by the executive / ownership class, and a world of profit-taking and market manipulation. Those are good for us though, right? We don't need a playing field that is level for everyone or anything, hmmm?
Big money, and power-brokering because of it, are the bane of the US system. To fail to see it when the evidence is everywhere is to be deliberately obtuse. The "free-market advantage" myth is a lie being sold by the people at the top to make us believe we are not constantly being disadvantaged by rampant greed and manipulation of the system.
I'm for equal opportunity. I'm for personal responsibility for success. I'm not for the pretense that the US right-wing freedom-to-pillage provides either.
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He is not nearly as rich as he boasts about...doesn't want people to realize what a fraud he is...he "leaks" the one return that shows he made 150M, guessing that is his best year.
That's nice coin for you and I but he acts like the wealthiest man on the planet
Yeah and how many jobs did you provide for citizens and illegal workers? It works both ways, there needs to be incentive to do business. Trump isn't the only rich person to find ways to pay less taxes. They all do because they can.
Ah, here we go, the old job creator myth.
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Kushner failed to disclose any of his meetings with Russia in his security disclosure forms. He has committed a felony.
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knowingly falsifying or concealing material facts is a federal felony that may result in fines or up to five years imprisonment.
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When Jared Kushner, President Trump’s son-in-law and senior adviser, sought the top-secret security clearance that would give him access to some of the nation’s most closely guarded secrets, he was required to disclose all encounters with foreign government officials over the last seven years.
But Mr. Kushner did not mention dozens of contacts with foreign leaders or officials in recent months. They include a December meeting with the Russian ambassador, Sergey I. Kislyak, and one with the head of a Russian state-owned bank, Vnesheconombank, arranged at Mr. Kislyak’s behest.
The national security questionnaire asks applicants for dates and details of all contacts with representatives of foreign governments.
The omissions, which Mr. Kushner’s lawyer called an error, are particularly sensitive given the congressional and F.B.I. investigations into contacts between Russian officials and Trump associates. The Senate Intelligence Committee informed the White House weeks ago that, as part of its inquiry, it planned to question Mr. Kushner about the meetings he arranged with Mr. Kislyak, including the one with Sergey N. Gorkov, a graduate of Russia’s spy school who now heads Vnesheconombank.
Mr. Kushner’s omissions were described by people with direct knowledge of them who asked for anonymity because the questionnaire is not a public document.
Meanwhile the CIA is reporting they had intercepts of Russian communications showing efforts to put Trump in the White House far earlier than publicaly known, 10 weeks prior to the election.
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WASHINGTON — The C.I.A. told senior lawmakers in classified briefings last summer that it had information indicating that Russia was working to help elect Donald J. Trump president, a finding that did not emerge publicly until after Mr. Trump’s victory months later, former government officials say.
The briefings indicate that intelligence officials had evidence of Russia’s intentions to help Mr. Trump much earlier in the presidential campaign than previously thought. The briefings also reveal a critical split last summer between the C.I.A. and counterparts at the F.B.I., where a number of senior officials continued to believe through last fall that Russia’s cyberattacks were aimed primarily at disrupting America’s political system, and not at getting Mr. Trump elected, according to interviews.
The former officials said that in late August — 10 weeks before the election — John O. Brennan, then the C.I.A. director, was so concerned about increasing evidence of Russia’s election meddling that he began a series of urgent, individual briefings for eight top members of Congress, some of them on secure phone lines while they were on their summer break.
