2 dead & 6 injured as teens take after hours sled ride down Winsport bobsleigh track

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

lol

Prove it. It's the same "prove it" questions people who believe in God are always asked so now prove the earth is more than 10,000 years old. Don't use someone's theory, you prove it.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Prove it. It's the same "prove it" questions people who believe in God are always asked so now prove the earth is more than 10,000 years old. Don't use someone's theory, you prove it.

lol

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Prove it. It's the same "prove it" questions people who believe in God are always asked so now prove the earth is more than 10,000 years old. Don't use someone's theory, you prove it.

Prove the earth is more than 10 minutes old. Don't use someone's theory, you prove it.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

lol

Jesus will still accept you. May the lord have mercy on your soul.

I hope no one ever asks for someone to prove God exists again.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Jesus will still accept you. May the lord have mercy on your soul.

I hope no one ever asks for someone to prove God exists.

lol, preach it brother.
I have no soul.

[Kybosh]

There is evidence upon evidence which shows a "young earth creation" to be patently false (radiometric dating, sedimentation layering, fossil records, evidence accrued through astronomy, etc.). What's the point in going through point by point though? I find these debates to be entirely futile when one book is the truth no matter what evidence is thrown against it.

In my view, I've read the Bible a couple times. Grew up somewhat Christian then moved away as I went further and further down the scientific rabbit hole. I can appreciate the Bible as a text with both historical and sociological significance but it is in no way a literal text. Even when you read it, you can't really quantify times within the Bible reliably. I'm sorry, but it takes serious mental gymnastics to accept the Bible as a true literal representation of the creation of the Earth and mankind.

I fully admit that science does not know everything yet (and very likely never will), but that's kinda the point of it. To develop hypotheses and then either validate or invalidate through experimentation and analysis.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Prove the earth isn't 10,000 years old. You can believe someone's theories on why it's much older but in the end that's no better than believing in the bible.

You can't prove it, can you?

Yes,

Radiographic dating has proven the earth to be older than 10,000 years. No theory required. It has been experimentally verified.

Not only that but their is no evidence that the earth is 10,000 years old and if such evidence existed science would be re-written to reflect the fact that new evidence has emerged with has changed scientific consensus.

Now you might argue that God created all of these things to make it look like the earth was billions of years old and the physics to reflect it. If that's the case than the existence of God is immaterial as all use of science as a predicative tool would work with or without the existence of such a God. And therefore young earth creationism would still offer no predictive value and still shouldn't be taught as science.

[Kybosh]

I also went to a Creationist museum in Texas which was so ridiculous I didn't even know what to say. It was placed on the road up to an actual fossilized river bed state park with actual dinosaur tracks, yet had far more people than the actual archaeological site and that made me extraordinarily depressed. Watching folks with zero scientific understanding or experience attempting to prove a young earth creation is absolutely painful.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Prove it. It's the same "prove it" questions people who believe in God are always asked so now prove the earth is more than 10,000 years old. Don't use someone's theory, you prove it.

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[peter12]

Are we really getting into this?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Prove the earth isn't 10,000 years old. You can believe someone's theories on why it's much older but in the end that's no better than believing in the bible.

You can't prove it, can you?

Are you asking this to prove a point, or do you also believe the Earth is less than 10 000 years old?

[GGG]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

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Spoiler!

Just turning on an LED light proves the earth is at least 10k years old.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Are you asking this to prove a point, or do you also believe the Earth is less than 10 000 years old?

The fact that the suggestion is even made that religious belief is equivalent to science is enough to make me think maybe there is a god.

Mostly because it's equivalent to a miracle that they've made it past infancy.

[Locke]

Hell, the COP Bobsled track is almost older than that.

By the way, what was this thread about again?

[PepsiFree]

Jankowski?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Jankowski?

I think we signed Dustin Boyd?

[jammies]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Prove it. It's the same "prove it" questions people who believe in God are always asked so now prove the earth is more than 10,000 years old. Don't use someone's theory, you prove it.

What are you even on about? This thread has gone past childish bickering into surrealism and incoherence.

There are many many different independent pieces of evidence that the earth is not 10,000 years old or younger, but there is no "the earth is older than 10,000 years" theory to be proved. "Providing proof" is something distinct from "proving", anyway - that the earth is far older than what it claims in the Bible is not contradicted by a theory, it is contradicted by facts.

If you don't understand the difference between proving God exists, which depends on evidence that is open to different interpretations, and proving that the Earth is older than it says in the Bible, which depends on evidence that is not open to interpretation, then it is you that is at fault, not the argument. What you are asking for is both asinine and profoundly misguided to the extent that it is questionable if you yourself even know what your point is supposed to be.

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Jesus will still accept you. May the lord have mercy on your soul.

I hope no one ever asks for someone to prove God exists again.

It's because you can't, right?

[MBates]

For crying out loud. Most people should just pack away their religious beliefs or dis-beliefs and focus on reading comprehension.

For those who think challenging the religious faith of these kids is rude or somehow unwarranted, they flat out asked for it:

...the survivors hope to help deepen the faith of others by sharing intimate details about the tragedy...

You cannot advocate a hope to deepen faith in others and be offended if people respond with reasons why they do not share your faith.

For those losing their minds that these people should be thanking first-responders instead of God go back and re-read (it's down below the picture of them posing in front of a firetruck when they went to meet said first-responders...I mean to be fair, the story doesn't specifically say they thanked the firefighters at that visit so I guess not to offend any of the logic and scientific evidence crowd I must concede I cannot PROVE that they didn't berate them for trying to interfere with God's plan):

The group would like to thank everyone who responded to the scene, and provided care in the days and weeks that followed.

For those oh so worried that reference to a mythical Santa (or whatever derogatory term for what another sees as God you prefer) will make others incapable of being responsible for their own actions on earth:

They also hope to prevent similar tragedies by speaking out.

"Just to think through, 'What are all the consequences to that decision you're making,'" said Hettinga.

"Our accident didn't just affect us. It affected our friends' family and the whole city. And we're super sorry for the decision that we did make."

Nothing about this article suggests these kids are anything but intelligent good people who happen to believe that their soul continues on after death and also know real people helped them and were seriously affected by their bad choices.

You actually have to really try hard to make controversy out of this article. So, slow clap for CP?

[The Fonz]

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