Vaccines don't cause autism (duh)

[wittynickname]

Originally Posted by Thor

Semi related, its from a woman who is anti vaxx, just one of the best examples of having no science education, homeostasis anyone???

I often prefer to rely on scientific observations from the 1930s rather than current, far more accurate scientific observations. Clearly they knew more about cancer in the 1930s.

[Azure]

Time to ship these morons off to an island and lock it down.

Public safety should trump anything they 'believe.' If they don't like how we run our country, screw off.

[billybob123]

Originally Posted by wittynickname

I often prefer to rely on scientific observations from the 1930s rather than current, far more accurate scientific observations. Clearly they knew more about cancer in the 1930s.

It's also 1) not what he won the Nobel for, nor 2) what he said, nor 3) anything related to what he researched.

This is like arguing against anti - evolutionists. Thud thud thud. Your head beating against the wall.

[OldDutch]

Originally Posted by chemgear

Good.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/anti-v...tors-1.2937681

Some mothers who have been dropped by their doctors feel "betrayed and upset," said Dotty Hagmier, founder of the support group Moms in Charge. She said these parents made up their minds about vaccines after "reading Facebook forwards from loopy friends to understand the risks versus the benefits for their own children's circumstances."

FIXED for honesty.

[old-fart]

Her middle name is Sunshine. Dotty Sunshine.... That should be criminal.

[kerriffic]

Anyone that uses any kind of information from Natural News should have their head examined! The mind numbingly insane drivel on that site leaves me at a loss for words! One of my friends today linked this article on his Facebook page and.....wow! So many twisted facts....

600 strains of an aerosolized thought control vaccine already tested on humans; deployed via air, food and water

http://www.naturalnews.com/048347_ae...obedience.html

So this article is in reference to FUNVAX or "fundamentalist vaccine" that orignates from a single source; namely a youtube video posted back in 2011, but only now picked up by Natural News. The video is supposedly a leak of pentagon scientists discussing the results, it has been debunked by Snopes and numerous other sites and even Infowars urged caution about it being real. From the article:

The point of all this is to infect the minds of the population and transform people into what the government calls "normal." From the government's point of view, of course, "normal" means "obedient and mindless."

This is all described in a video and a document that surfaced several years ago but which are only now beginning to connect the dots as the medical police state in America accelerates to insane levels of aggression against the population. See recent stories on medical kidnapping in Arkansas and CPS kidnapping of children in Arizona for starters.

we are witnessing the release of genetically engineered mosquitoes combined with outbreaks of bizarre neurological conditions across U.S. schoolchildren and mysterious health conditions all over the world.

The "high-altitude release" of this mind-altering viral vaccine has no doubt already been achieved through the aerosolized spraying of cities in crisscross patterns of aerosolized dispersal at altitude, often labeled as "chemtrails."

The air-dropping of vaccines onto large populations isn't new, by the way. As I reported here on Natural News in 2012, the Texas government air-dropped 1.8 million rabies vaccines onto wild animal populations as part of a government-run scheme to vaccinate wildlife.

Yes, even wild coyotes and rabbits are not safe from the vaccine zealots. No animal on the planet is considered "safe" by health authorities unless it is first infected with a virus or two.

I know, it sounds like the actions of a Batman movie villain, but then again we already know the vaccine industry is largely staffed by mad scientists with villainous intent. Remember, this is the same group of disreputable scientists who knowingly committed scientific fraud by covering up the confession of a CDC scientist who admitted the agency manipulated data to eliminate any apparent link between vaccines and autism. It's no stretch at all to realize these same people would gladly deploy vaccines to dumb people down if that made them more compliant and docile.

The greatest enemy of the vaccine industry is, of course, anyone who can still think for themselves

We also know there's still toxic mercury in flu shots, even though the establishment ridiculously claims flu shots are 100% safe to give to pregnant women, infants, toddlers, senior citizens and everyone else. This is an industry that actually seems to enjoy the power trip of causing widespread health harm, vaccine-induced seizures, comas, autism and even death. Deploying vaccines at high altitude to invisibly fall onto large cities where they are inhaled by millions of people is an almost erotic fantasy come true for these anti-human vaccine zealots who despise life and openly advocate human depopulation.

The scary thing is all of the people on his Facebook that actually agree with him, I get called a sheeple for categorically breaking down everything wrong with this article. So I guess to summarize anti-vaxxers are also tinfoil hat wearing chemtrail believing conspiracy theorists??

My head hurts

[Dan02]

Yes there is a strong correlation between antivaxxers and the tinfoilists.

[Super Nintendo Chalmers]

[AcGold]

None of you sees the risks in government mandated vaccinations? Just hand over complete control because a select few make bad choices?

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by AcGold

None of you sees the risks in government mandated vaccinations? Just hand over complete control because a select few make bad choices?

What are the risks? Assuming we're talking about proven safe vaccines that 99% of sensible people would get anyway.

[AcGold]

Originally Posted by opendoor

What are the risks? Assuming we're talking about proven safe vaccines that 99% of sensible people would get anyway.

You seriously can't think of a single risk in giving the government 100% control over vaccinations?

I'm not anti-vaxx at all, 0% anti vaxx. I'm anti mandatory vaccination.

When you read about things like the Tuskegee experiments or the Guatemala studies you have to stop and realize that 100% trust in government in regards to vaccinations is a huge mistake.

Maybe it would even be legitimate to start, but the very nature of government mandated vaccinations logically leads to abuse of power with the same kind of abuse of power the Zimbardo studies showed.

I'd take the option right off the table? Is it seriously an issue that people aren't vaccinating their kids and others suffer? If so education would do a lot more benefit than forcing it on eveyrone. Let it also be noted that some people should not be vaccinated as children due to medical issues such as epilepsy.

Based on history the first risk would be to minorities if the power was abused. Before you'd say the government would never do that let's remember the Canadian government had jails for native children where they were abused and conditioned to forsake their identity, until 1996.

[opendoor]

I don't think anyone's suggesting rounding up people who refuse and forcibly injecting them, but I don't see why making it a requirement for attending public school is going to send us down some slippery slope.

And like I said, we're talking about vaccines that the worldwide medical community has proven to be effective and safe. Comparing that standard to isolated unethical medical studies from decades ago doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

[Thor]

Its especially important in kindergarten's but I would be all for having public schools and daycare/kindergarten's being mandatory vaccinations unless the kid is unable to, then of course he has to rely on the other kids to be protected to protect him or her.

I don't think we will end up with mandatory vaccinations ever, but we will see this problem of outbreaks get worse and eventually when the death toll and suffering is high enough institutions will simply make it mandatory to work or attend. I mean there are nurses who opt out of vaccinations, how maddening is that??

[FlamesAddiction]

"Mandatory vaccines" is just too vague and alarmist. Mandatory vaccines for particularly dangerous diseases and where there are extraordinarily large data sets proving them safe and effective should be considered though.

I wouldn't want to see a situation where any new vaccine can be made mandatory on a population as a test, but I don't think it would be difficult to have proper checks and balances so that it wouldn't happen.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Thor

Its especially important in kindergarten's but I would be all for having public schools and daycare/kindergarten's being mandatory vaccinations unless the kid is unable to, then of course he has to rely on the other kids to be protected to protect him or her.

I don't think we will end up with mandatory vaccinations ever, but we will see this problem of outbreaks get worse and eventually when the death toll and suffering is high enough institutions will simply make it mandatory to work or attend. I mean there are nurses who opt out of vaccinations, how maddening is that??

Lots of nurses. A pharmacist I know too. When questioned they get defensive and talk about their "rights", and just say there's data to support their position but never provide it

[Minnie]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Lots of nurses. A pharmacist I know too. When questioned they get defensive and talk about their "rights", and just say there's data to support their position but never provide it

Every time I hear that, I answer with "Yeah, and what about your responsibility? You know, the other 'R' word" and walk away because otherwise...

[troutman]

[burn_this_city]

Good for him, I'm glad to see a sustained push in the media and medical community to shame the idiots responsible for the measles outbreaks.

[FireFly]

Just a hypothetical question for everyone. I'm all for vaccines like MMR and whatnot but I'm really struggling with the flu vaccine. I have not had a flu shot for as long as I can remember and I've also not had the flu. Especially with health analysts saying that those who received the vaccine both this year and last actually having a -15% protection for the flu this year, I'm wondering if we put the flu vaccine in the same category as the others?

[Ashartus]

Originally Posted by FireFly

Just a hypothetical question for everyone. I'm all for vaccines like MMR and whatnot but I'm really struggling with the flu vaccine. I have not had a flu shot for as long as I can remember and I've also not had the flu. Especially with health analysts saying that those who received the vaccine both this year and last actually having a -15% protection for the flu this year, I'm wondering if we put the flu vaccine in the same category as the others?

The flu vaccine has its complexities due to the varying/changing strains. The risk-benefit is still very much in favour of getting it. Personally I'd like to see it given in schools like other vaccines, since school/daycare children are a bit part of how it spreads. If you're working in healthcare or regularly in contact with the elderly or immune-compromised people, I think you should either have it or wear a face mask. The rest of us getting it would at least contribute to herd immunity and reduce the spread of the strains covered by the vaccine, even if it doesn't help against other strains.