03-04-2021, 02:07 PM
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#8561
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Originally Posted by Wolfman
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Yes. What is your point?
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03-04-2021, 02:09 PM
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#8562
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Wolfman
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If anything that shows after they got away from drafting big guys they have been good and the Flames traded too many picks.
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03-04-2021, 02:10 PM
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#8563
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jul 2013
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Originally Posted by Textcritic
Monahan is the third-highest scoring player in his draft class. He is the furthest thing from a "bust."
Since Bennett was selected in 2014 the Flames have had four first-round picks in the last six drafts, and only two between 2015–18. Both of those picks are NHL players today. But in addition, this scouting staff has also managed to graduate players from the second round (x2), the third, fourth, and six rounds since Gaudreau was drafted in fourth round in 2011.
I don't understand why anyone would complain about the Flames's amateur scouting. It seems like a real strength in this organisation.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Textcritic
Yes. What is your point?
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If the drafting has been good you think more players would have panned out no?
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03-04-2021, 02:16 PM
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#8564
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfman
If the drafting has been good you think more players would have panned out no?
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No, I really don't.
Any time a team finds an impact player outside of the first round, that is money, and the Flames have done it several times now in the last few years. Drafting is not an exact science by any stretch of the imagination, and it is why 80% of the players picked never amount to much. The Flames appear to be hitting on players well outside of their draft positions with some consistency, which actually shows that the drafting has been very good.
Honestly, perhaps my biggest fear with a possible management change would be an overhaul of the scouting staff. I think if the Flames ever did let Button go other NHL teams would be lined up to hire him.
Last edited by Textcritic; 03-04-2021 at 02:20 PM.
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03-04-2021, 02:17 PM
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#8565
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Psytic
Yes he is a good 2C. We just needed a 1C out of him Jankowski or, Bennett and it didnt happen. Its unfortunate.
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Who in the 2012 draft picked after Jankowski would have been a 1C? 2012 really was a weak draft. In hindsight, if they were to redo that draft, Janko would probably end up somewhere in the 2nd round.
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03-04-2021, 02:17 PM
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#8566
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Psytic
Yes he is a good 2C. We just needed a 1C out of him Jankowski or, Bennett and it didnt happen. Its unfortunate.
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Oh bull####. Monahan is a number one center. No, he's not dynamic like McHobo or MacKinnon, but he is a top producer and no where near as bad as the chicken littles would try and have you believe.
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03-04-2021, 02:17 PM
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#8567
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jul 2013
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Originally Posted by Textcritic
No, I really don't.
Any time a team finds an impact player outside of the first round, that is money, and the Flames have done it several times now in the last few years. Drafting is not an exact science by any stretch of the imagination, and it is why 80% of the players picked never amount to much. The Flames appear to be hitting on players well outside of their draft positions with some consistency, which actually shows that the drafting has been very good.
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I guess I am basing my thoughts on the 1st round alone.
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03-04-2021, 02:19 PM
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#8568
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Wolfman
If the drafting has been good you think more players would have panned out no?
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How does it compare against the league though?
My gripe with scouting has been the over drafting of LWs and Dmen. I know BPA is smart but I'd think if they specifically targeted RWs, we would have something to show for it.
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03-04-2021, 02:22 PM
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#8569
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by The Yen Man
Who in the 2012 draft picked after Jankowski would have been a 1C? 2012 really was a weak draft. In hindsight, if they were to redo that draft, Janko would probably end up somewhere in the 2nd round.
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Hertl would have been close if they didn't trade down. Wilson would have been awesome as well.
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03-04-2021, 02:22 PM
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#8570
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfman
I guess I am basing my thoughts on the 1st round alone.
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I think you are basing your thoughts on two first-rounds which occurred before 2015. Do you see any issues with any of their first-round picks since then?
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03-04-2021, 02:24 PM
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#8571
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jul 2013
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Yen Man
Who in the 2012 draft picked after Jankowski would have been a 1C? 2012 really was a weak draft. In hindsight, if they were to redo that draft, Janko would probably end up somewhere in the 2nd round.
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I know hindsight is 20/20 but the Flames were at #14 and traded down 6 spots with Buffalo to #21. Players picked between 14 and 21.
Ceci (miss), Wilson, Hertl, Teravainen, Vasilevskiy and Laughton.
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03-04-2021, 02:27 PM
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#8572
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by New Era
Oh bull####. Monahan is a number one center. No, he's not dynamic like McHobo or MacKinnon, but he is a top producer and no where near as bad as the chicken littles would try and have you believe.
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Who said hes bad? I was defending him in the Dubios trade thread go look. But its widely accepted he is a lower end 1C or high end 2C in this very thread and nobody batted an eye a few pages back. You all forget writing that and making up Eichel proposals a few pages back? The other day it was "he doesn't drive play and we need a line driver true 1C" two days later now the mob sentiment is defend Monahan! No he's not bad im one of his defenders go look. But this team is where it is in the standings year after year and many here identified not having a bonafide 1C is part of the problem. Monahan was identified as who we trade to get one. Dont recall that eh? This board is something else.
Last edited by Psytic; 03-04-2021 at 04:52 PM.
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03-04-2021, 02:27 PM
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#8573
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Saving the world one gif at a time
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Originally Posted by Textcritic
I think you are basing your thoughts on two first-rounds which occurred before 2015. Do you see any issues with any of their first-round picks since then?
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Button has been Director of Amateur scouting since 2011.
My bad 2001
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Last edited by Wolfman; 03-04-2021 at 02:30 PM.
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03-04-2021, 02:31 PM
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#8574
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Yen Man
Who in the 2012 draft picked after Jankowski would have been a 1C? 2012 really was a weak draft. In hindsight, if they were to redo that draft, Janko would probably end up somewhere in the 2nd round.
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TBF you have to look at the pick they traded which was 14, not 21 which is where they took Janko. So they pick Hertl to get a versatile skilled guy who can play C. Or Wilson to get a heavy, decent skilled, RW. Or just BPA and Teravainen. Or Vasilevski.
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03-04-2021, 02:35 PM
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#8575
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfman
Button has been Director of Amateur scouting since 2011.
My bad 2001
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That doesn't answer my question. Do you have an issues with the most recent first round picks that have been selected under his tenure since 2015?
And more to the point, it is often said that in lots of organizations the General Manager has a higher level of input in the first round selections than in later rounds; I would suggest that the difference between first round picks made before 2014 and those after has more to do with the GM than the scouting staff.
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03-04-2021, 02:38 PM
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#8576
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Yen Man
Who in the 2012 draft picked after Jankowski would have been a 1C? 2012 really was a weak draft. In hindsight, if they were to redo that draft, Janko would probably end up somewhere in the 2nd round.
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I cant say as I now have the gift of hindsight which doesnt make it fair but its a shame we didn't get more out of those picks that year.
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03-04-2021, 03:12 PM
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#8577
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#1 Goaltender
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Textcritic
No, I really don't.
Any time a team finds an impact player outside of the first round, that is money, and the Flames have done it several times now in the last few years. Drafting is not an exact science by any stretch of the imagination, and it is why 80% of the players picked never amount to much. The Flames appear to be hitting on players well outside of their draft positions with some consistency, which actually shows that the drafting has been very good.
Honestly, perhaps my biggest fear with a possible management change would be an overhaul of the scouting staff. I think if the Flames ever did let Button go other NHL teams would be lined up to hire him.
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I don’t think the amateur scouting staff will be touched. They’ve done excellent work with what they’ve been given. Had Treliving not been so eager to end the rebuild, this organization might be in way better shape today. Maybe Button finds an elite right winger and an elite center with one of those picks that were traded away.
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03-04-2021, 03:17 PM
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#8578
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfman
I know hindsight is 20/20 but the Flames were at #14 and traded down 6 spots with Buffalo to #21. Players picked between 14 and 21.
Ceci (miss), Wilson, Hertl, Teravainen, Vasilevskiy and Laughton.
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Am I crazy to want Wilson the most out of that list?
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03-04-2021, 03:22 PM
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#8579
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by SeanCharles
Am I crazy to want Wilson the most out of that list?
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Yes. Vasilevskiy for me.
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03-04-2021, 03:28 PM
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#8580
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by SeanCharles
Am I crazy to want Wilson the most out of that list?
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I don’t think you could go wrong any of them. Wilson wouls certainly be a big help in the playoffs with his speed and heaviness. He can play with elite players too, so maybe his hockey iq isn’t too bad. Maybe a bigger, badder version of Ferland who can stay healthy. I don’t watch him play ever, so I’d probably defer to anyone else who’s seen him play more often.
Although having Vasilevskiy would’ve helped kept the Flames from expending all sorts of assets on stopgap goaltenders, so maybe that would have been the wisest choice of all.
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