2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Toonage]

Natural RHS too is he not?

[ComixZone]

Konecny: 464 games, 317 points. .68ppg
Mangiapane: 302 games, 151 points. .5ppg

21/22:

Konecny: 79 games, 52 points, .66ppg, 17:37 AVG TOI
Mangiapane: 82 games, 55 points, .67 ppg, 15:44 AVG TOI

20/21:
Konecny: 50 games, 34 points, .68ppg, 15:54 AVG TOI
Mangiapane: 56 games, 32 points, .57 ppg, 16:40 AVG TOI

You guys really think the difference between those two players is a 1st round pick in the deepest draft in 20 years?

Mangiapane’s production is down this year - as is Kadri’s, as is Huberdeau’s, as is Lindholm’s. If you aren’t seeing the positive trend in his game since getting back with Backlund and Coleman (who all look their best when they’re together), I don’t know what to say.

Trading Mang + 1st for Knoecny is silly. It also doesn’t correct the fact that we’d still be lacking a top-9 forward so our lines would still be a mess.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Royle9

LOL at anyone who thinks the Flyers are going to trade away their #1 point producing Forward a Center at that for a mid to late 1st round pick OR a mid round prospect in Coronato.

When did Konecny shift to center? He was a winger his entire career unless it was just this season?

[Jacks]

Wish we would have picked up Tolvanen when we had the chance. Since he got to Seattle off waivers he's averaging 12:31 min/game
6GP 3G 2A +6
0PIM 11 hits 7 blocks
23yo RW signed for another year at 1.45M then RFA

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Wish we would have picked up Tolvanen when we had the chance. Since he got to Seattle off waivers he's averaging 12:31min.
6GP 3G 2A +6
0PIM 11 hits 7 blocks
23yo RW signed for another year at 1.45M

I think the Flames sights should be set higher.

We need to add a difference maker at the top of the roster. That’s where the hole is.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I think the Flames sights should be set higher.

We need to add a difference maker at the top of the roster. That’s where the hole is.

Thing is you never know who could become a difference maker.

Who would have thought that Nichushkin would become a difference maker for Colorado the way he did.

Taking a risk on a high upside, medium risk player would be better than the low risk low upside type the Flames have played in our bottom 6 the last 2-3 years. But the coach and team have been hesitant to take any real risk in our lineup with any type of "unknown".

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Thing is you never know who could become a difference maker.

Who would have thought that Nichushkin would become a difference maker for Colorado the way he did.

Taking a risk on a high upside, medium risk player would be better than the low risk low upside type the Flames have played in our bottom 6 the last 2-3 years. But the coach and team have been hesitant to take any real risk in our lineup with any type of "unknown".

I don’t really believe our 1 pro scout has the ability to spot that diamond in the rough unfortunately.

[Pickle Juice]

Stupid question but since Brad Treliving doesn't have a contract in place do you think he is more likely to swing for the fences and grab a high profile player by the deadline, tweak the roster moderately, sell at the deadline or let this team remain status quo?

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Pickle Juice

Stupid question but since Brad Treliving doesn't have a contract in place do you think he is more likely to swing for the fences and grab a high profile player by the deadline, tweak the roster moderately, sell at the deadline or let this team remain status quo?

the Flames will almost certainly do nothing, or trade a 3rd round pick for a 7-8th defenceman who will play 2 games

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Pickle Juice

Stupid question but since Brad Treliving doesn't have a contract in place do you think he is more likely to swing for the fences and grab a high profile player by the deadline, tweak the roster moderately, sell at the deadline or let this team remain status quo?

I think he will continue to do his job the only way he knows how - to the best of his abilities

[Flaming Horse]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I think the Flames sights should be set higher.

We need to add a difference maker at the top of the roster. That’s where the hole is.

Our top players need to be more of the difference makers.That is one of the big issues with this club.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Flaming Horse

Our top players need to be more of the difference makers.That is one of the big issues with this club.

We don't have top tier talent though. Huberdeau is but without another top tier player, his production isn't what it could be. We need to acquire someone to play with him. There's a reason why we had such a good top line last year - it was loaded with 3 great players. We're just one top tier guy short of being a better team than last year I believe...it's just not easy to acquire players of the caliber.


Huberdeau - Kadri - legit top line player
Dube - Lindholm - Toffoli
Mangiapane - Backlund - Coleman

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Konecny: 464 games, 317 points. .68ppg
Mangiapane: 302 games, 151 points. .5ppg

21/22:

Konecny: 79 games, 52 points, .66ppg, 17:37 AVG TOI
Mangiapane: 82 games, 55 points, .67 ppg, 15:44 AVG TOI

20/21:
Konecny: 50 games, 34 points, .68ppg, 15:54 AVG TOI
Mangiapane: 56 games, 32 points, .57 ppg, 16:40 AVG TOI

You guys really think the difference between those two players is a 1st round pick in the deepest draft in 20 years?

Mangiapane’s production is down this year - as is Kadri’s, as is Huberdeau’s, as is Lindholm’s. If you aren’t seeing the positive trend in his game since getting back with Backlund and Coleman (who all look their best when they’re together), I don’t know what to say.

Trading Mang + 1st for Knoecny is silly. It also doesn’t correct the fact that we’d still be lacking a top-9 forward so our lines would still be a mess.

Yes the difference is easily a 1st

Should the Flames do it is a different question

Konecny is outperforming his contract by a fair margin
Mangi is underperforming

Mangi has been bad since the last 1/3 of last year

[Flaming Horse]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Wish we would have picked up Tolvanen when we had the chance. Since he got to Seattle off waivers he's averaging 12:31 min/game
6GP 3G 2A +6
0PIM 11 hits 7 blocks
23yo RW signed for another year at 1.45M then RFA

Tre sleeping again. Their have been good players available on the cheap over the last couple of years and because cap issues or not thinking their were the right player they did not get them. Pavel Buchnevic was one. Without looking it up I think it was low cost. This is the type of pure skill this team is lacking. ONE of the flaws of Tre managing skills. The lack of pure skill on the farm and on the big club.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Konecny: 464 games, 317 points. .68ppg
Mangiapane: 302 games, 151 points. .5ppg

21/22:

Konecny: 79 games, 52 points, .66ppg, 17:37 AVG TOI
Mangiapane: 82 games, 55 points, .67 ppg, 15:44 AVG TOI

20/21:
Konecny: 50 games, 34 points, .68ppg, 15:54 AVG TOI
Mangiapane: 56 games, 32 points, .57 ppg, 16:40 AVG TOI

You guys really think the difference between those two players is a 1st round pick in the deepest draft in 20 years?

Mangiapane’s production is down this year - as is Kadri’s, as is Huberdeau’s, as is Lindholm’s. If you aren’t seeing the positive trend in his game since getting back with Backlund and Coleman (who all look their best when they’re together), I don’t know what to say.

Trading Mang + 1st for Knoecny is silly. It also doesn’t correct the fact that we’d still be lacking a top-9 forward so our lines would still be a mess.

At 25 years old he's probably worth it if the goal is to win in the next few seasons. He's an every situation player as he plays pp and pk (has 2 SH goals this season). He's younger and would be much more impactful on a game to game basis and he's a RHS. Really though why would the Flyers want Mangiapane? They could get a 1st round pick + from a lot of teams for Konecny without having to take on a questionable contract in return.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Yes the difference is easily a 1st

Should the Flames do it is a different question

Konecny is outperforming his contract by a fair margin
Mangi is underperforming

Mangi has been bad since the last 1/3 of last year

They make pretty much the same money, and Mang is 40 games into his contract in a season where he missed training camp, and the team as a whole has been in disarray.

I completely disagree that it is worth it. I could see an argument for a 2024 pick - but not the 2023.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

At 25 years old he's probably worth it if the goal is to win in the next few seasons. He's an every situation player as he plays pp and pk (has 2 SH goals this season). He's younger and would be much more impactful on a game to game basis and he's a RHS.

He also looks like he is taking the next step to another level in his career. He is very noticeable most time he is on the ice. Much more of a catalyst for his line than Mangiapane is on his. How much should we expect Mangiapane to progress, compared to the progression Konecny is showing.

I would definitely have concerns trading futures at this point because if the Flames are going to compete in the future, we are going to need effective players on entry level deals. But as far as replacing Mangiapane with Konecny, that is an easy choice for me, if it were theoretically possible to do it without gutting our futures.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

They make pretty much the same money, and Mang is 40 games into his contract in a season where he missed training camp, and the team as a whole has been in disarray.

I completely disagree that it is worth it. I could see an argument for a 2024 pick - but not the 2023.

I am not arguing if it’s worth it for the Flames

All I am saying is the difference in value is easily a 1st

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

He also looks like he is taking the next step to another level in his career. He is very noticeable most time he is on the ice. Much more of a catalyst for his line than Mangiapane is on his. How much should we expect Mangiapane to progress, compared to the progression Konecny is showing.

I would definitely have concerns trading futures at this point because if the Flames are going to compete in the future, we are going to need effective players on entry level deals. But as far as replacing Mangiapane with Konecny, that is an easy choice for me, if it were theoretically possible to do it without gutting our futures.

He looked like that in 19/20 where he scored 61pts in 66 games but followed that up with 34pts in 50 games and 52pts in 79 games. So he goes from a 76pt pace and follows it up with 2 years where he is averaging a 54-56pt pace and now he is trending to a 101pt pace. Mangiapane was on a 50 goal pace early last year before he tailed off.

The Mangiapane+Coronato+1st deal is insane as the team is essentially gutting their limited futures and taking one of their more productive wingers and replacing him with someone better now but also inconsistent.

In my opinion he is the perfect target for this team to add but not at the expense of futures while also giving up a player we need to keep to help this team score. If this team had cap flexibility next year I would gladly move 2 of Zary, Pelletier, Coronato for him but I want to keep next years 1st. The team has no flexibility next year so I would rather keep the prospects and it just won’t work

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

I am not arguing if it’s worth it for the Flames

All I am saying is the difference in value is easily a 1st

If this deal was on the table in the summer time it likely would have been pretty even 1 for 1. I struggle with a 30 game sample skewing the value that much. With that said there is no reason for Philly to entertain the deal now with how well TK is playing and how Mangiapane has struggled under the weight of a new deal and expectations he becomes the teams highest goal scoring winger.