Edmonton is No Good X: Up and Down Like a Toilet Seat

[getbak]

[Reggie Dunlop]

Not even Darryl Sutter can save the Oilers.

No one can save the Oilers.

No one.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

Holy crap, he looks like a 40 year old than a 26 year old.

He's got kind of a Dexter vibe in that photo. The very tired, conflicted Dexter of the final season when the walls were closing in on him.

[CF84]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

Holy crap, he looks like a 40 year old than a 26 year old.

I'm 39 and would assume that this man has had more life experience than I've had if I was completely unaware of who he was.

[CaptainCrunch]

Ok, we know that the Oilers have serious depth problems, they have for years. They've counted on two players to carry the rest of the deadwood to any kind of contendership. But every year it might get them by a round or so, but in the end they run into a moderately deep team and become none competitive. At the same time They relentlessly play McDrai for the majority of the games, so by round two or so of the playoffs they look dead on their feet.

What's the problem? Why can't a team that has over and over again had high draft picks in all the rounds of the draft not have a wealth of derpth?

Cause they let the teams next GM Katz son run the draft table? Because their scouts go, meh we have McDrai so it doesn't matter what we draft? The whole scouting team is functionally stupid? All three?

Lets wander back in time, to the heady day when they drafted Draisaitl and see what else they picked up that was any good. No wait, lets go back to the year they started pissing away draft picks in 2012 when they drafted Nail Yakupov. Ah yes 2012, when the first Avengers movie came out, a young Charlie Sheen guzzled Tigers blood each week on Anger Management, and a young Taylor Swift was well on her way to Billionaire Status.

2012 the Oilers drafted Nail Yakupov with te first overall pitch. The only other players of note, though they drafted at the top of each round were Jugihar Khair who really amounted to nothing, and Erik Gustafsson who's best days came when he left the Oilers after spending no time with them.

In 2013 they drafted Darnell Nurse in the first round 7th overall, and while he was a decent pick, we've seen that he does more harm then good now that he's signed his 9 million dollar per year pick. Other then they the only player of note was Anton Slepyshev 110 games with the Oilers really doing nothing of note.

So surely things wound turn around, I mean in 2014 with pick number 3 they picked up Leon Draisaitl. Vroom Vroom they said we'll build around him. Well um in that draft year only William Lagesson made an NHL impact player after 60 games with the oilers and racking up a hall of fame level scoring stat line of 6 points.

The next year 2015 they struck gold as their drafting looked stellar. This was the turn around year. I mean of course they got the McDavid. But in the 4th round they picked up Caleb Jones, he eked out a decent NHL career of 217 games with 50 points, of course he played 93 of those games with Edmonton racking up 5 goals and 19 points over three years. But of course they shored up their blue line with Ethan Bear right? Well he did have three nightmarish years in the NHL before he was chased out of town. Of course the crowning jewel of the Oilers was picking John Marino in the 6th round who has gone on to a decent NHL Career of 264 games with 14 goals and 89 points, none of them with the Oilers.

The next year 2016 was a banner year as they drafted uber prospect future super star Jessie Pilij . . . Puli. . . frack it Pool party. The uber savor. After a decent rookie season where he racked up most of his points after the Oilers were eliminated from the playoffs and there was no pressure. He ended up spinning his wheels with the Oilers setting a record for being chased out of town twice. But for back up they picked up sure fire prospect Tyler Benson who played 38 NHL games with 3 points. But Markus Niemelanien, Dylan Wells and Vincent Desharnais were all there to stock the Oilers cupboards right? But, here's where we put in the wah wah music, none of them did more then make popcorn and sweep the dressing room under the glaring eyes of McDrai after practice.

Does it get better? Well (Sarcastically) it does. In 2017 they drafted Kaller Yamamoto. The answer to Johnny Gaudreau, the pocket rocket, the can't miss kid. He showed some flashed, but that's about it, after a hot start in his first year and a 20 goal season in 20212 he busted out and moved on to the Kracken for nothing. That year also saw the drafting of the can't miss goalie of the future Stuart Skinner, that had some moments before the Oilers completely destroyed his confidence, the only other standout with Dmitri Samorukov who played 3 games with the Oilers in two seasons and said F no, I'd rather work at Sportscheck.

Now the next year based on the hype should have been a big year as they finally drafted a pylon to cover bad ice spots in Evan Bouchard, the kid with a million dollar slap shot and a 2 cent over valued defensive awareness. They picked up Ryan McLeod who looks completely lost and other then that Michael Kesselring who left to do nothing with the Yotes.

Ok this is where it gets sketchy. But the next year 2019 they drafted Philip Broberg in the first round who looks like he's ready to go back to Europe as he busts out as a NHLer. I guess we'll see if the next top line hope Raphael Lavoie does anything as he just got called up.

The last year I'm going to look at is 2020. They drafted Dylan Holloway with their first round pick and super hyped the kid up. But he's been um uninspiring at the AHL level and worse at the NHL level. He looks like the kid that's been rushed based on the need for a news story, and been destroyed by the Oilers development system.

So what's my point in all of this?

Since the Oilers modern era started in 2012 with the drafting of Nail Yakupov when you look at all of those picks through the all the rounds of drafts.

Out of 62 draft picks. Including 10 first round pick. They have 8 players that are currently with the team.

These players are Holloway (doing nothing), Lavoie (Just called up for the first time ever), Bouchard (Terrible), McLeod (No good), Skinner (Destroyed), McDavid (Duh pick), Draisaitl (duh pick), Nurse (Cap anchor).

That's it, that's all. Its no mystery why the Oilers are no good. Yes their coach is bad, yes McDaivd and Draisaitl probably aren't the model team leaders that will go through a wall and do whatever it takes to win when it gets tough.

However the primary mode of execution for this team. The lethal injection, the cyanide pill in the acid. Is not only their drafting. But the fact that all of these players that were picked can't be useless. Its that they don't know how to develop players.

Isn't it ironic (don't ya think) that a team with 62 picks, that had to base its entire strategy on drafting young players and building that way, that knows winning, that believes that every team would trade their roster for the Oilers roster (Like a Vipa). Has found a way to mess it up?

They can go ahead and fire pugsly, he can join a long line of actually good coaches, like Tippet and Hitchcock, and McLellan, all coaches that won at the NHL level or are winning now, that were killed by the McDrai led dressing room. A team that ironically has no interest in playing a 200 foot game.


Now let me end this whole mess of text with a story.


"Have you ever heard the tail of Darth Connor the selfish?"
Young hockey fan - "no"
"Its a Edmonton Oiler legend. Darth Connor the selfish, was so self absorbed, so obsessed with individual accolades that in the first 9 years of his hockey career, he manged to discredit and destroy 6 (Counting pugsy) NHL coaches."
Young hockey fan - "Wow is it possible to learn this power?"
"Not from any decent hockey player that wants to win cups"

[IceBergYYC]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Since the Oilers modern era started in 2012 with the drafting of Nail Yakupov when you look at all of those picks through the all the rounds of drafts.

Out of 62 draft picks. Including 10 first round pick. They have 8 players that are currently with the team.

These players are Holloway (doing nothing), Lavoie (Just called up for the first time ever), Bouchard (Terrible), McLeod (No good), Skinner (Destroyed), McDavid (Duh pick), Draisaitl (duh pick), Nurse (Cap anchor).

I hate the no goods as much as anyone, but if we're going to go on that logic (they had 9 first rounders btw, not 10: Yak, Nurse, Drai, McJesus, Poolparty, Yamamoto, Bouchard, Broberg, Holloway):

Flames draft picks from 2012-2020 that are still playing for the team:
2015: Andersson, Mangiapane
2016: Dube
2017: Ruzicka (6 years post draft, can barely crack the roster)
2018: Pospisil (first ever call up)
2019: Pelletier (counting him as on the roster)
2020: Zary (first ever call up)

58 draft picks in that time, 9 first rounders. 7 total players still playing for the team.

First round Flames picks from that time period still with the team:
2020: Zary
2019: Pelletier

The difference I will concede is that the Oilers average 1st round pick was 7.78 overall, Flames was much lower at 17.

The Oilers can't develop prospects, the Flames can't retain players. The result in the end is the same.

[jg13]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Now let me end this whole mess of text with a story.


"Have you ever heard the tail of Darth Connor the selfish?"
Young hockey fan - "no"
"Its a Edmonton Oiler legend. Darth Connor the selfish, was so self absorbed, so obsessed with individual accolades that in the first 9 years of his hockey career, he manged to discredit and destroy 6 (Counting pugsy) NHL coaches."
Young hockey fan - "Wow is it possible to learn this power?"
"Not from any decent hockey player that wants to win cups"

[Caged Great]

One thing that I do find amusing is the thought of the Flames shedding salary over the next bit and being one of the few teams that would be a legitimate landing spot for Draisaitl when he goes UFA.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by IceBergYYC

I hate the no goods as much as anyone,

This is the correct post you should have had for this thread.

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

One thing that I do find amusing is the thought of the Flames shedding salary over the next bit and being one of the few teams that would be a legitimate landing spot for Draisaitl when he goes UFA.

Pass

[calumniate]

Oilers playing Vancouver tonight, lol. If Van plays well, I could see Woody singing his swan song

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by chemgear

https://dailyhive.com/edmonton/death...exhausted-loss

https://twitter.com/user/status/1721397667979489662

[Enoch Root]

Ten games into their season, the Oilers are 9 points back of the Ducks - who had that on their bingo card?

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by NewFan

I think most of the coaches can make McDavid a complete player. Problem is he doesn't want to become 2 way best player.

This is why I enjoy the media repeatedly called McDavid the "best player in the NHL".

Why would McDavid think he needs to improve himself if he's already "the best"

Hint: he's not the best, never has been. Never will be.

[Yeah_Baby]

I wonder how much having two guys like Connor and Leon entrenches them both in their 'no no it's the coach who is wrong' positions.

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Ok, we know that the Oilers have serious depth problems, they have for years. They've counted on two players to carry the rest of the deadwood to any kind of contendership. But every year it might get them by a round or so, but in the end they run into a moderately deep team and become none competitive. At the same time They relentlessly play McDrai for the majority of the games, so by round two or so of the playoffs they look dead on their feet.

What's the problem? Why can't a team that has over and over again had high draft picks in all the rounds of the draft not have a wealth of derpth?

Cause they let the teams next GM Katz son run the draft table? Because their scouts go, meh we have McDrai so it doesn't matter what we draft? The whole scouting team is functionally stupid? All three?

Lets wander back in time, to the heady day when they drafted Draisaitl and see what else they picked up that was any good. No wait, lets go back to the year they started pissing away draft picks in 2012 when they drafted Nail Yakupov. Ah yes 2012, when the first Avengers movie came out, a young Charlie Sheen guzzled Tigers blood each week on Anger Management, and a young Taylor Swift was well on her way to Billionaire Status.

2012 the Oilers drafted Nail Yakupov with te first overall pitch. The only other players of note, though they drafted at the top of each round were Jugihar Khair who really amounted to nothing, and Erik Gustafsson who's best days came when he left the Oilers after spending no time with them.

In 2013 they drafted Darnell Nurse in the first round 7th overall, and while he was a decent pick, we've seen that he does more harm then good now that he's signed his 9 million dollar per year pick. Other then they the only player of note was Anton Slepyshev 110 games with the Oilers really doing nothing of note.

So surely things wound turn around, I mean in 2014 with pick number 3 they picked up Leon Draisaitl. Vroom Vroom they said we'll build around him. Well um in that draft year only William Lagesson made an NHL impact player after 60 games with the oilers and racking up a hall of fame level scoring stat line of 6 points.

The next year 2015 they struck gold as their drafting looked stellar. This was the turn around year. I mean of course they got the McDavid. But in the 4th round they picked up Caleb Jones, he eked out a decent NHL career of 217 games with 50 points, of course he played 93 of those games with Edmonton racking up 5 goals and 19 points over three years. But of course they shored up their blue line with Ethan Bear right? Well he did have three nightmarish years in the NHL before he was chased out of town. Of course the crowning jewel of the Oilers was picking John Marino in the 6th round who has gone on to a decent NHL Career of 264 games with 14 goals and 89 points, none of them with the Oilers.

The next year 2016 was a banner year as they drafted uber prospect future super star Jessie Pilij . . . Puli. . . frack it Pool party. The uber savor. After a decent rookie season where he racked up most of his points after the Oilers were eliminated from the playoffs and there was no pressure. He ended up spinning his wheels with the Oilers setting a record for being chased out of town twice. But for back up they picked up sure fire prospect Tyler Benson who played 38 NHL games with 3 points. But Markus Niemelanien, Dylan Wells and Vincent Desharnais were all there to stock the Oilers cupboards right? But, here's where we put in the wah wah music, none of them did more then make popcorn and sweep the dressing room under the glaring eyes of McDrai after practice.

Does it get better? Well (Sarcastically) it does. In 2017 they drafted Kaller Yamamoto. The answer to Johnny Gaudreau, the pocket rocket, the can't miss kid. He showed some flashed, but that's about it, after a hot start in his first year and a 20 goal season in 20212 he busted out and moved on to the Kracken for nothing. That year also saw the drafting of the can't miss goalie of the future Stuart Skinner, that had some moments before the Oilers completely destroyed his confidence, the only other standout with Dmitri Samorukov who played 3 games with the Oilers in two seasons and said F no, I'd rather work at Sportscheck.

Now the next year based on the hype should have been a big year as they finally drafted a pylon to cover bad ice spots in Evan Bouchard, the kid with a million dollar slap shot and a 2 cent over valued defensive awareness. They picked up Ryan McLeod who looks completely lost and other then that Michael Kesselring who left to do nothing with the Yotes.

Ok this is where it gets sketchy. But the next year 2019 they drafted Philip Broberg in the first round who looks like he's ready to go back to Europe as he busts out as a NHLer. I guess we'll see if the next top line hope Raphael Lavoie does anything as he just got called up.

The last year I'm going to look at is 2020. They drafted Dylan Holloway with their first round pick and super hyped the kid up. But he's been um uninspiring at the AHL level and worse at the NHL level. He looks like the kid that's been rushed based on the need for a news story, and been destroyed by the Oilers development system.

So what's my point in all of this?

Since the Oilers modern era started in 2012 with the drafting of Nail Yakupov when you look at all of those picks through the all the rounds of drafts.

Out of 62 draft picks. Including 10 first round pick. They have 8 players that are currently with the team.

These players are Holloway (doing nothing), Lavoie (Just called up for the first time ever), Bouchard (Terrible), McLeod (No good), Skinner (Destroyed), McDavid (Duh pick), Draisaitl (duh pick), Nurse (Cap anchor).

That's it, that's all. Its no mystery why the Oilers are no good. Yes their coach is bad, yes McDaivd and Draisaitl probably aren't the model team leaders that will go through a wall and do whatever it takes to win when it gets tough.

However the primary mode of execution for this team. The lethal injection, the cyanide pill in the acid. Is not only their drafting. But the fact that all of these players that were picked can't be useless. Its that they don't know how to develop players.

Isn't it ironic (don't ya think) that a team with 62 picks, that had to base its entire strategy on drafting young players and building that way, that knows winning, that believes that every team would trade their roster for the Oilers roster (Like a Vipa). Has found a way to mess it up?

They can go ahead and fire pugsly, he can join a long line of actually good coaches, like Tippet and Hitchcock, and McLellan, all coaches that won at the NHL level or are winning now, that were killed by the McDrai led dressing room. A team that ironically has no interest in playing a 200 foot game.


Now let me end this whole mess of text with a story.


"Have you ever heard the tail of Darth Connor the selfish?"
Young hockey fan - "no"
"Its a Edmonton Oiler legend. Darth Connor the selfish, was so self absorbed, so obsessed with individual accolades that in the first 9 years of his hockey career, he manged to discredit and destroy 6 (Counting pugsy) NHL coaches."
Young hockey fan - "Wow is it possible to learn this power?"
"Not from any decent hockey player that wants to win cups"

En contraire mon ami. That was the past, the future is Jeff Jackson, don’t ya know!

One Bobulous Stauffer was quite astute when he pointed out how so many of Jeffy’s clients when he was an agent have made the NHL due to his wondrous development abilities.

So once the Oilers can mutually agree to development agreements outside of the whole NHL draft Mumbai jumbo (just like a player agency) old Jeffy will have the Oilers back onto a rocket ship to the stars.

Or… Stauffer is a cherry picking clueless hack?!?

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

He's got kind of a Dexter vibe in that photo. The very tired, conflicted Dexter of the final season when the walls were closing in on him.

Hopefully this has a less violent ending, but one just as sad and disappointing (for oiler fans).

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by IceBergYYC

I hate the no goods as much as anyone, but if we're going to go on that logic (they had 9 first rounders btw, not 10: Yak, Nurse, Drai, McJesus, Poolparty, Yamamoto, Bouchard, Broberg, Holloway):

Flames draft picks from 2012-2020 that are still playing for the team:
2015: Andersson, Mangiapane
2016: Dube
2017: Ruzicka (6 years post draft, can barely crack the roster)
2018: Pospisil (first ever call up)
2019: Pelletier (counting him as on the roster)
2020: Zary (first ever call up)

58 draft picks in that time, 9 first rounders. 7 total players still playing for the team.

First round Flames picks from that time period still with the team:
2020: Zary
2019: Pelletier

The difference I will concede is that the Oilers average 1st round pick was 7.78 overall, Flames was much lower at 17.

The Oilers can't develop prospects, the Flames can't retain players. The result in the end is the same.

I think the key thing here is that Calgary has shown that they can identify talent. In that same time frame they had identified Gaudreau, Tkachuk, Fox, and even Klyington. Also managed to trade one of their firsts for Hamilton.

Where Edmonton excels in their no goodness, is outside the automatics with McDavid and Draisaitl. They continue to swing and miss or bleed picks for nothing which attribute their their lack of depth. Like a couple seconds for a few weeks of Athanasiou, or a first and second for 30 games of Griffin Reinhart which ended up being Barzal and Beauvillier.

Edmonton is no good.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Oh yeah, no question the Flames would've done way, way better with McD and Pissmaster. Even with their knack for signing one really bad UFA every couple of years.

Depth and defense are areas they were always competent at identifying and acquiring players for. They just never had that elite top end.

It really underscores just how bad the Oilers are at every other aspect of team building, to have a defense that can't suporess chances for its life, and depth that is blanking on the scoresheet across the board.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by IceBergYYC

I hate the no goods as much as anyone, but ...

Ah, the calling card of a closet Oilers fan. I haven't seen one if these in a while.


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