Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Firebot

As for Levant. Any person can file a lawsuit as long as they pay the fees. And considering that he has won decisions such as this court ordered injunction on the leader's debate, and the recent consent to court order on Guillbault which would have likely come to a decision in favour, it seems his reasons for using the court system are quite validated, regardless of your personal views on him.

Levant is self serving.

I wonder what his win to loss ratio is.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Levant is self serving.

I wonder what his win to loss ratio is.

He technically hasn't lost one, I use the word technically since I saw at least 4 discontinuances.

https://www.fct-cf.gc.ca/en/court-fi...urt-files#cont

You can search Rebel and find the filings.

And I don't disagree with you on the self serving part, but likeminded petty people like Guillbault enable that behaviour to succeed. I'm not defending Levant at all as a person let's be clear, I'm defending his right to sue and our charter and court system.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Firebot

He technically hasn't lost one, I use the word technically since I saw at least 4 discontinuances.

https://www.fct-cf.gc.ca/en/court-fi...urt-files#cont

You can search Rebel and find the filings.

He's lost several Libel cases:
Giacomo Vigna

Khurrum Awan

Richard Warman(settled)

Canadians for Justice and Peace in the Middle East(settled)

Farhan Chak

And some CBSC rulings.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ezra_Levant#Libel_cases

He's a lying defaming POS who has no business "educating" Canadians on news, and anyone dumb enough to tune in shouldn't be subject to the misinformation and hatred he spews.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

He's lost several Libel cases:
Giacomo Vigna

Khurrum Awan

Richard Warman(settled)

Canadians for Justice and Peace in the Middle East(settled)

Farhan Chak

And some CBSC rulings.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ezra_Levant#Libel_cases

He's a lying defaming POS who has no business "educating" Canadians on news, and anyone dumb enough to tune in shouldn't be subject to the misinformation and hatred he spews.

I meant his own filings in federal court.

Defamation and libel court cases is self destructive and hits him and his company in the pockets (See Dominion vs Fox News) which is exactly why our court system is needed. If he's looking to lose his money for lies it's his money.

And again, I fully agree with you on the lying defaming POS.

But we are talking of the charter of rights and court systems, as such he is free to speak and protected by the charter of rights. Of course that same freedom of speech allows him to get sued to oblivion for libel and defamation as freedom of speech is not free of repercussions as a result of said speech. It's the best way to deal with it.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

He's lost several Libel cases:
Giacomo Vigna

Khurrum Awan

Richard Warman(settled)

Canadians for Justice and Peace in the Middle East(settled)

Farhan Chak

And some CBSC rulings.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ezra_Levant#Libel_cases

He's a lying defaming POS who has no business "educating" Canadians on news, and anyone dumb enough to tune in shouldn't be subject to the misinformation and hatred he spews.

Yup. The fact he actually loses defamation cases is striking - it's a hard case to make out, yet he manages it.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Guillbault deciding? That's a rather comical take considering he literally just had to unblock Levant from Twitter 2 years ago and instead chose to fight this in court forming a pretty petty defense with multiple court appearances, wasting our court systems time, lawyer time, judge time and taxpayer dollars. It's been in courts for 2 years when a simple unblock would have sufficed. He was told by his lawyers he has zero case and to consent to the order to avoid an embarrassing ruling relating to the charter of rights and likely was pressured to consent.

It's customary to pay 20K in legal cost, fully consent to comply on a court order with removing the block and barring any future block, and embarrassingly request a confidentiality clause on release of the order that was rejected by the applicant, effectively giving the applicant 100% of their demands?

What a colossal waste of time and taxpayer money as a result of a petty government official.

I had no idea you were so close to Guilbault's legal team.

You could just as easily frame this as a colossal waste of time and taxpayer money as a result of a petty troll masquerading as a journalist.

Maybe it was a charter violation, maybe it wasn't. We won't know because it was never taken to trial. Even so, I have a very difficult time believing blocking someone on a private social media network violates any part of the charter, no matter the parties involved. Can you imagine if there was any legal precedent to prevent one person blocking another person on platforms like Twitter (never X), Facebook, Instagram, etc.? Geist is a smart guy but after reading that article I still don't believe there's any compelling case that any person has the right to view a minister's Twitter (never X) account or messages. Any and all pertinent information relating to the office is available and discoverable through a variety of other official means and Levant is free to engage with the minister's office through those means, even posting it second-hand on Twitter (never X). These platforms are not governmental services.

It takes two sides to come to a settlement. Whether the particulars of this order is customary is hard to answer because this is a very unique case. As I understand, this was a consent order agreed to by both parties and submitted to the court to be approved and the Judge signed off on it.

It is more likely that both saw individual benefits to settle and move on. Guilbault no longer has to deal with this protracted nonsense, and Levant gets to puff his chest as the faux civil rights champion the gullible believe him to be.

I agree with Jim Turk's comments in the National Post article, and that probably all that comes out is that public figures are advised to 'mute' rather than 'block' individuals on Twitter (never X).

When asked if the case would have wider implications for politicians accustomed to using the block button to silence social media gadflies, Jim Turk, director of Toronto Metropolitan University’s Centre for Free Expression, told the National Post he doesn’t think so.

“It reads like a classic decision on the part of the federal government, or Guilbeault, to settle to avoid the cost of going through a whole procedure,” he said, adding it seems the government decided to cut their losses rather than take the issue further.

“I’m not sure why politicians choose to block rather than mute, it doesn’t make sense to me — but I don’t think this is going to have many implications, one way or another.”

https://nationalpost.com/news/rebel-...twitter-battle

[TorqueDog]

Some random moron on a WestJet flight to Calgary grabbed the PA handset and -- oh, it was Pierre Poilievre.

There's an actual article that explains that WestJet allowed him to (without any input from the flight crew, so the union is pretty pissed off) but I think The Beaverton's satire hits just right.

Originally Posted by The Beaverton

Pretending to be flight attendant closest Poilievre has been to having a real job

QUEBEC CITY – Career politician Pierre Poilievre, excited a handful of members of a captive audience with an impromptu in-flight announcement as though he were a member of the flight crew, which is as close to having a real world job as he has ever been.

“Who’s ready for more slogans from me?” intoned Poilievre over the airplane PA to a smattering of applause. “Who’s ready for a bag of peanuts? Who’s ready to put their seat in an upright position?”

“He captivated me with his squinty-eyed gaze and nasal delivery,” said passenger Lisa Barnet, a Conservative delegate whose job is dependent upon supporting Poilievre. “When he talked about common sense, I didn’t think about the Mike Harris disaster in Ontario. I thought about Euro-centric dog whistles.”

“I really liked the part where he talked about housing,” said delegate Bill Davidson. “He knows a lot about getting extra houses from the government, like the one he lives in on the taxpayer dime.”

After doing a real job for five-ish minutes Poilievre collapsed in exhaustion and demanded his staff bring him a Fresca.

Poilievre, whose non-governmental CV is thinner than his veneer of empathy for voters, is popular among people who work hard every day to put money into a pension that won’t support them in old age – despite the fact that he qualified for a parliamentary pension at age 32. However, he is used to being a living contradiction as the married father of two gives off heavy incel energy.

In related flight news, Prime Minister Trudeau’s office is denying that his flight back from India was delayed because of his in-flight performance of “beatbox Bhangra” over the airplane PA.

[monkeyman]

The best part about that was seeing Jann Arden lose her #### over it.
The whole time I kept thinking, at lest they weren’t playing a Jann Arden song over the PA.

[chemgear]

https://financialpost.com/real-estat...-affordability

Canada has no chance of building the additional millions of homes Canada Mortgage and Housing Corp. projects would be needed to restore housing affordability over the next seven years, according to the chief economist of Desjardins Group.

Last year, CMHC said a total of 5.8 million homes would be needed by 2030 to restore affordability, which worked out to 3.5 million additional units on top of their projection that the housing stock would grow by 2.3 million units if building continued as usual.

Concern about Canada’s housing supply has been heightened by the federal government’s plan to boost immigration targets and bring in 500,000 permanent residents annually by 2025

“So the question is, are we going to get an exponential home (supply) increase to match that?” Jean said.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Yamer

I had no idea you were so close to Guilbault's legal team.

You could just as easily frame this as a colossal waste of time and taxpayer money as a result of a petty troll masquerading as a journalist.

Maybe it was a charter violation, maybe it wasn't. We won't know because it was never taken to trial. Even so, I have a very difficult time believing blocking someone on a private social media network violates any part of the charter, no matter the parties involved. Can you imagine if there was any legal precedent to prevent one person blocking another person on platforms like Twitter (never X), Facebook, Instagram, etc.? Geist is a smart guy but after reading that article I still don't believe there's any compelling case that any person has the right to view a minister's Twitter (never X) account or messages. Any and all pertinent information relating to the office is available and discoverable through a variety of other official means and Levant is free to engage with the minister's office through those means, even posting it second-hand on Twitter (never X). These platforms are not governmental services.

It takes two sides to come to a settlement. Whether the particulars of this order is customary is hard to answer because this is a very unique case. As I understand, this was a consent order agreed to by both parties and submitted to the court to be approved and the Judge signed off on it.

It is more likely that both saw individual benefits to settle and move on. Guilbault no longer has to deal with this protracted nonsense, and Levant gets to puff his chest as the faux civil rights champion the gullible believe him to be.

I agree with Jim Turk's comments in the National Post article, and that probably all that comes out is that public figures are advised to 'mute' rather than 'block' individuals on Twitter (never X)

https://nationalpost.com/news/rebel-...twitter-battle

If anyone is privy to Guilbeault’s legal advice on this forum it would definitely be Firebot

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

If anyone is privy to Guilbeault’s legal advice on this forum it would definitely be Firebot

You are right. I am pretty sure one of Guillbault's fan club members have much more insight than me on how to spin this consent to order as a positive, you got me.

Neither of you even discusses how Guillbault wasted 2 years of court time and taxpayer money on his pettiness when he could have simply...pressed a button on a social media platform but chose not to.

That 20K only covers the applicant's legal costs by the way, I am sure closer fans of his can tell us how much government lawyer costs were.

But yes, Guillbault was a political mastermind and just decided after 2 years in court proceedings to force himself to consent to a court order. That's what a rational guy that climbs the CN Tower is sure to do.



Maybe, just maybe, he's a bit nutty and petty and this wasn't a shrewd move on his part and he was advised by his legal team? But even that's too much to concede on I guess for dedicated partisans.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by Firebot

You are right. I am pretty sure one of Guillbault's fan club members have much more insight than me on how to spin this consent to order as a positive, you got me.

Neither of you even discusses how Guillbault wasted 2 years of court time and taxpayer money on his pettiness when he could have simply...pressed a button on a social media platform but chose not to.

That 20K only covers the applicant's legal costs by the way, I am sure closer fans of his can tell us how much government lawyer costs were.

But yes, Guillbault was a political mastermind and just decided after 2 years in court proceedings to force himself to consent to a court order. That's what a rational guy that climbs the CN Tower is sure to do.

Maybe, just maybe, he's a bit nutty and petty and this wasn't a shrewd move on his part and he was advised by his legal team? But even that's too much to concede on I guess for dedicated partisans.

Lol.

[PepsiFree]

Hey guys remember when Guilbeault climbed the CN tower 20 years ago? Hey guys remember when Guilbault climbed the CN tower 20 years ago? Hey guys remember when Guillbault climbed the CN tower 20 years ago? Hey guys remember when Guilibault climbed the CN tower 20 years ago? Hey guys remember when Guillibalt climbed the CN tower 20 years ago?

[Weitz]

I thought I learned people don’t change in politics? Is that off the table?

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Weitz

I thought I learned people don’t change in politics? Is that off the table?

No, they do change, but it is a very narrow criteria based entirely on a certain poster’s whims.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Firebot

You are right. I am pretty sure one of Guillbault's fan club members have much more insight than me on how to spin this consent to order as a positive, you got me.

Neither of you even discusses how Guillbault wasted 2 years of court time and taxpayer money on his pettiness when he could have simply...pressed a button on a social media platform but chose not to.

That 20K only covers the applicant's legal costs by the way, I am sure closer fans of his can tell us how much government lawyer costs were.

But yes, Guillbault was a political mastermind and just decided after 2 years in court proceedings to force himself to consent to a court order. That's what a rational guy that climbs the CN Tower is sure to do.



Maybe, just maybe, he's a bit nutty and petty and this wasn't a shrewd move on his part and he was advised by his legal team? But even that's too much to concede on I guess for dedicated partisans.

It was a joke, if I offended a conservative snowflake I apologize. I always forget how sensitive conservatives can be.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Hey guys remember when Guilbeault climbed the CN tower 20 years ago? Hey guys remember when Guilbault climbed the CN tower 20 years ago? Hey guys remember when Guillbault climbed the CN tower 20 years ago? Hey guys remember when Guilibault climbed the CN tower 20 years ago? Hey guys remember when Guillibalt climbed the CN tower 20 years ago?

Just manic today,

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Just manic today,

Try and add to the thread instead of acting defeated.

[Stewie991]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Try and add to the thread instead of acting defeated.

Then leave, Heed your own Advice.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Wormius

No, they do change, but it is a very narrow criteria based entirely on a certain poster’s whims.

And to be fair that goes both ways.