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Kybb79 · 02-01-2019, 02:07 PM

I wouldn't trade Brassard for Janko. Brassard is 31 and is on the decline.

Imported_Aussie · 02-01-2019, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Vinny01

Frolik for Brassard?
Zuccarello for a 3rd+Lazar

Gaudreau-Monahan-Lindholm
Tkachuk-Backlund-Zuccarello
Bennett-Brassard-Neal
Hathaway-Jankowski-Ryan

I don't see the Frolik deal happening - Florida made the deal to get Brassard specifically to clear cap from next season, and Frolik is signed next season.
I also feel that unless you are getting back a player signed next year, and moving Frolik is about balance, you keep him. He is a utility guy, and in the case that the Flames add to the 2nd line, you bump Frolik to 4LW, bench Mangiapane, and then in game you have the ability to go back to 3M if you need to. Peters is a coach who adjusts mid game, so this is feasible (and has been done at least once).
Frolik is very tradeable in the offseason, either at the draft for a mid round pick, or after free agency if a team misses targets. Unless he is a key driver for the other team in a deal, he should stay for now.

I like the Zuccarello deal, though I think you overvalue Lazar. A 2nd was paid for him, but he has had to rebuild in the AHL. His value to most teams right now is likely a marginal prospect slightly above balancing reserve list in a trade. If the cost is 3rd + a prospect, think more Zavgorodny/Popisil (more team control, perceived upside as post-draft risers)

Lanny_McDonald · 02-01-2019, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Not really. Jankowski is a 4th-liner on a contender.

Really? Jankowski is the third line center for the Calgary Flames - the top team in the western conference and 2nd in the NHL - which constitutes a contender, last time I looked.

transplant99 · 02-01-2019, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by New Era

Really? Jankowski is the third line center for the Calgary Flames - the top team in the western conference and 2nd in the NHL - which constitutes a contender, last time I looked.

In that case...Mike Smith is a back up G on a contender...amirite?

Lanny_McDonald · 02-01-2019, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by transplant99

In that case...Mike Smith is a back up G on a contender...amirite?

You got me there.

bubbsy · 02-01-2019, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by transplant99

In that case...Mike Smith is a back up G on a contender...amirite?

Yes, he is. Hasn't he gone 9-2 or something in his last 11 starts?

mrdonkey · 02-01-2019, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by bubbsy

Yes, he is. Hasn't he gone 9-2 or something in his last 11 starts?

People keep bringing this up like it reflects on his play rather than that of the team in front of him.

The Flames often win in spite of Smith. They’ve had to orchestrate multi-goal comebacks and barn burners on multiple occasions just to make up for the usual “bad goal” or two he lets in. That doesn’t make him a good goalie.

TheScorpion · 02-01-2019, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by New Era

Really? Jankowski is the third line center for the Calgary Flames - the top team in the western conference and 2nd in the NHL - which constitutes a contender, last time I looked.

Hah, you got me there.

Still think the Flames could use an upgrade, but point taken.

transplant99 · 02-01-2019, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by mrdonkey

People keep bringing this up like it reflects on his play rather than that of the team in front of him.

The Flames often win in spite of Smith. They’ve had to orchestrate multi-goal comebacks and barn burners on multiple occasions just to make up for the usual “bad goal” or two he lets in. That doesn’t make him a good goalie.

2.57 GAA .903 save% in his last 12.

He has been passable for a while now.

Bingo · 02-01-2019, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by transplant99

2.57 GAA .903 save% in his last 12.

He has been passable for a while now.

Yeah and actually quite good in seven of those games. He had some team help to beat the Jackets in relief of Rittich, and was sketchy in losses to St. Louis and Boston. Was pretty average against Detroit.

But had great numbers in beating Arizona, LA, Chicago, Minnesota, Nashville, Detroit and Arizona again.

The Boy Wonder · 02-01-2019, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Bingo

Yeah and actually quite good in seven of those games. He had some team help to beat the Jackets in relief of Rittich, and was sketchy in losses to St. Louis and Boston. Was pretty average against Detroit.

But had great numbers in beating Arizona, LA, Chicago, Minnesota, Nashville, Detroit and Arizona again.

Are there any advanced stats that show rebound control?

I'm happy that smith is making saves but I am curious if the eye test of him stabbing wildly at pucks and having poor rebound control is just me or whether there is a data based way of showing that smith is worse than most other goalies at looking like he knows what he is doing.

Monahammer · 02-01-2019, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by transplant99

2.57 GAA .903 save% in his last 12.

He has been passable for a while now.

Does not compute

A .903 ranks him 34/45 goalies. His .888 over the full season ranks him 44/45. Why are we apologizing for this guy? It's not like he hasn't been given ample cracks to turn it around already.

dino7c · 02-01-2019, 03:00 PM

some people have really low expectations for goaltenders...if Smith was on an average or below average team he would be getting absolutely lit up.

mrdonkey · 02-01-2019, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Bingo

Yeah and actually quite good in seven of those games. He had some team help to beat the Jackets in relief of Rittich, and was sketchy in losses to St. Louis and Boston. Was pretty average against Detroit.

But had great numbers in beating Arizona, LA, Chicago, Minnesota, Nashville, Detroit and Arizona again.

Some real world beaters on that list.

Bingo · 02-01-2019, 03:04 PM

What kills me is Smith vs the recent Edmonton anointed number one goaltender.

67 goalies have made 10 or more starts this year.

David Rittich is ranked 4th at 70.4%
Mikko Koskinen is ranked 44th at 48.0%
Mike Smith is ranked 55th at 41.7%
Cam Talbot is ranked 64th at 32.0%

Edmonton's new starter is much closer to Smith than Rittich, and Calgarians cringe when he starts.

Bingo · 02-01-2019, 03:05 PM

Just kills me how mad people get at a reasoned Smith response. Did anyone call him a great goaltender, or that he should be the starter?

Chill people.

transplant99 · 02-01-2019, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Monahammer

Does not compute

A .903 ranks him 34/45 goalies. His .888 over the full season ranks him 44/45. Why are we apologizing for this guy? It's not like he hasn't been given ample cracks to turn it around already.

Who is apologizing for him? Im sure everyone wishes he had been better and hopes he will be moving forward.

Is he making enough stops for this team to win or not? 10-2 in the last 12 or whatever it is suggests yes he is. On average, when he starts lately, the team needs 3 goals to win.

Really thats all that matters at this point.

mrdonkey · 02-01-2019, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Bingo

Just kills me how mad people get at a reasoned Smith response. Did anyone call him a great goaltender, or that he should be the starter?

Chill people.

He shouldn’t be in the NHL at all for God’s sakes. He is an active risk to cost this team valuable points every time he plays. He is old. He is done. He has shown this repeatedly. And for whatever reason there is a subsection of this forum lining up time and again to make excuses for him, point to his win/loss record like it means anything, and/or lecture other people to suck it up because he’s here no matter what.

I don’t profess to know who might be available, but I’d be willing to take a shot with just about any other goaltender with NHL experience playing backup for this team over Smith. Waive him. Bye Felicia. Problem solved.

Is there anyone, ANYONE, who would be okay watching Smith start even a single game in the playoffs? It’s an important part of this team desperately crying out for improvement. And it wouldn’t be hard to improve.

The Boy Wonder · 02-01-2019, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by transplant99

Who is apologizing for him? Im sure everyone wishes he had been better and hopes he will be moving forward.

Is he making enough stops for this team to win or not? 10-2 in the last 12 or whatever it is suggests yes he is. On average, when he starts lately, the team needs 3 goals to win.

Really thats all that matters at this point.

Still think he just doesn't pass the eye test. He is fighting the puck and even if he is winning he is getting lucky to do so. He doesn't look like he is in control of the puck or his body, and he makes the easy saves look hard, and the hard saves look downright impossible.

It is scary to watch

Monahammer · 02-01-2019, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by transplant99

Who is apologizing for him? Im sure everyone wishes he had been better and hopes he will be moving forward.

Is he making enough stops for this team to win or not? 10-2 in the last 12 or whatever it is suggests yes he is. On average, when he starts lately, the team needs 3 goals to win.

Really thats all that matters at this point.

I can confidently state that the team has won in spite of him rather than he playing well enough to earn victories. To me GAA is a team stat and save percentage is indicative of the goalie's contribution to that (both over large sample sizes not just game by game.) In this case smith is well below average or passable at stopping shots coming his way, fortunately the team has played well enough to cover up for that.