2018/2019 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[keenan87]

I am not a Senators fan. However, if the stars aligned and they can convince Stone and Duchene to sign reasonable contracts, they can get better. Especially if they can buyout or get rid of that atrocious Ryan contract

Tkachuk-Duchene-Stone
Dzingel-???-???

Why not try to acquire a guy like Schenn or Toffoli .. that will really solidy that top 6. Not to mention Chabot on defense.

The off-season also has goalie options with Varlamov and Bobrovsky...but their owner has to stop being so cheap

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

- I really think that people think hes tough mostly because hes black, which is hella uncool. Hes not overly big or heavy, and though he hits well and fights occasionally I would say hes closer to a kunitz type than a reaves. Or like scott hartnell but smaller. No disrespect to wayne, but I think hes been miscast because of skin colour.

The only uncool thing here is your post.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by keenan87

I am not a Senators fan. However, if the stars aligned and they can convince Stone and Duchene to sign reasonable contracts, they can get better. Especially if they can buyout or get rid of that atrocious Ryan contract

Tkachuk-Duchene-Stone
Dzingel-???-???

Why not try to acquire a guy like Schenn or Toffoli .. that will really solidy that top 6. Not to mention Chabot on defense.

The off-season also has goalie options with Varlamov and Bobrovsky...but their owner has to stop being so cheap

If Duchene and/or Stone would sign reasonable contracts, they would have signed by now.

The cost to stay in Ottawa today will be substantial.

[TheScorpion]

I'd be down to acquire Brassard and put him beside Neal.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I'd be down to acquire Brassard and put him beside Neal.

He's very consistent at about .5 ppg. Then again, Neal was super consistent as well.

I guess the question is whether Brassard is similar to Neal's past linemates. I think he probably is.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by goflamesgo18

I don't think Mr.Coffee understands the difference between a rental and a player under contract.

Yeah no I got it, thanks. I just value winning the cup over a poor collection of assets that will never push us over the edge the way Panarin will, even if that player who gets us over the edge is a rental.

Furthermore, there’s no guarantee he wouldn’t re-sign with us if things go well and he likes it.

At the end of the day people are massively overvaluing Flames assets as usual. No teams are licking their chops to pick up Dube. Stone is the 6th best Dman on this team. The first most likely won’t play any games at all in the NHL. Panarin is a star. It’s really not even close even if he’s a rental, I’m sorry.

[RedHawk12]

I think Brassard would be a decent acquisition for our 3rd line. Better for us trading with Florida because I think they would only be looking for futures (maybe a pick and a B prospect) than with Pittsburgh, who was looking for more of a "hockey trade".

[Vinny01]

Frolik for Brassard?
Zuccarello for a 3rd+Lazar

Gaudreau-Monahan-Lindholm
Tkachuk-Backlund-Zuccarello
Bennett-Brassard-Neal
Hathaway-Jankowski-Ryan

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Frolik for Brassard?
Zuccarello for a 3rd+Lazar

Gaudreau-Monahan-Lindholm
Tkachuk-Backlund-Zuccarello
Bennett-Brassard-Neal
Hathaway-Jankowski-Ryan

Would rather have Frolik than Brassard. I am ok with the
other deal.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Frolik for Brassard?
Zuccarello for a 3rd+Lazar

The Brassard trade was made to get rid of additional cap next year.

Zuccarello has been a consistent 50+ point player for years.

Neither team touches these. They aren't here to do the Flames favours.

[goflamesgo18]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Yeah no I got it, thanks. I just value winning the cup over a poor collection of assets that will never push us over the edge the way Panarin will, even if that player who gets us over the edge is a rental.

Furthermore, there’s no guarantee he wouldn’t re-sign with us if things go well and he likes it.

At the end of the day people are massively overvaluing Flames assets as usual. No teams are licking their chops to pick up Dube. Stone is the 6th best Dman on this team. The first most likely won’t play any games at all in the NHL. Panarin is a star. It’s really not even close even if he’s a rental, I’m sorry.

No need to be sorry. Thats your opinion. If you think a team is going to dish out a full time NHL impact player with similar production, more upside, under contract for a rental player (with no guarantee of him re-signing) You are mistaken.

If a team is going after a rental, they are usually paying quantity and potential for that player.

I agree with you that people are overvaluing 1st round picks/prospects. And I would rather take a run at a cup when we have a legit shot as well. Dube however, is a better prospect than you give him credit for. And if things have soured between Panarin and the CBJ and they are dead set on selling him by trade deadline (which some analysts seem to think), then the return won't be as crazy high as you think.

What do you think it would take from the Flames to get Panarin Feb 25?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Would rather have Frolik than Brassard. I am ok with the
other deal.

The Brassard deal helps with the cap situation next year. I am still interested in moving Frolik for a similar expiring contract.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Yeah no I got it, thanks. I just value winning the cup over a poor collection of assets that will never push us over the edge the way Panarin will, even if that player who gets us over the edge is a rental.

Furthermore, there’s no guarantee he wouldn’t re-sign with us if things go well and he likes it.

At the end of the day people are massively overvaluing Flames assets as usual. No teams are licking their chops to pick up Dube. Stone is the 6th best Dman on this team. The first most likely won’t play any games at all in the NHL. Panarin is a star. It’s really not even close even if he’s a rental, I’m sorry.

I think we all want to win the cup, but mortgaging our 1st + 2 assets for a "shot" at the cup is a lot to give up for a pure rental.
There's no guarantee Panarin coming to the flames gets us a dance with the Cup, but your comments seem to insinuate that they will.

Sure, there's no guarantee he wouldn't re-sign with us but we cant afford to sign him for 8+ million he's going to command therefor we're solely trading all that for this season specifically. He's not going to be a long time flame unless you can convince Tkachuk to take 6M or less, sign Rittich and a new backup for under 4M and still shed some salary.

I think you're severely undervaluing what a 1st, a/b prospect are worth on the open market (buyers market this year) let alone using them on a guy who's shown 0 loyalty to his current team.

Panarin is good, real good and will be paid for being just that.

If the Wizard wants to use our 1st and Dube as part of a package for something, I'd rather it be a controllable asset at a good salary to give us more than 30-35 games moving forward.

Maybe a Brayden Schenn or something.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

The Brassard trade was made to get rid of additional cap next year.

Zuccarello has been a consistent 50+ point player for years.

Neither team touches these. They aren't here to do the Flames favours.

Talon loves former Hawks (even though Bowman was the GM that acquired him)

Buyers market Zucc could possibly be had for cheaper than what players of his ilk went for in years past.

[Oling_Roachinen]

60 point, two-way forwards with leadership abilities like Zuccarello have never gone for anything close to a 3rd though.

He's lead the Rangers 4 of the last 5 seasons in points while being defensively responsible and willing to go into the dirty areas to battle it out. I think if there's teams willing to moves 1st+ this deadline, he's the type of player they will be targeting. As long as they are comfortable with his injuries this year.

[bax]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I'd be down to acquire Brassard and put him beside Neal.

Why? Jankowski is better than Brassard

[Toonage]

Every player who is moved or could be moved somehow finds his way onto the Flames here.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by bax

Why? Jankowski is better than Brassard

Not really. Jankowski is a 4th-liner on a contender. He gets filleted at even-strength and needs to get stronger away from the puck. I'd hesitate before going into the playoffs with him as the team's 3C -- I'd rather him be on the wing.

Besides, Brassard should be cheap, and he has a ton of playoff experience.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Every player who is moved or could be moved somehow finds his way onto the Flames here.

Every fan base that thinks they will be playoff bound does the same thing is my guess.

[bax]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Not really. Jankowski is a 4th-liner on a contender. He gets filleted at even-strength and needs to get stronger away from the puck. I'd hesitate before going into the playoffs with him as the team's 3C -- I'd rather him be on the wing.

Besides, Brassard should be cheap, and he has a ton of playoff experience.

Jankowski is only 24, it's not unreasonable to believe he has more to give. He has also become an exceptional PK option for the team. I don't think there is any sense in trying to convert him to a winger. If you want him to develop as a center then play him as a center.

Brassard on the other hand is on the wrong side of 30 and also gets filleted at even strength- more so than Jankowski. Rutherford came out and said he never embraced his role as a third line center and wanted to player higher in the line up. I'm all for upgrading the team, but this hardly looks like an upgrade. Especially considering it would cost an asset.

Not to mention Pittsburgh just traded him because he wasn't cutting it as a third line center on a contender.

You want a better option on the third line? Look at Schenn or somebody if they are available.