2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Enoch Root]

I don't like the idea of just running with kids, though - you need vets to show them the way.

CBJ have Fantilli, Johnson and Sillinger - lots of potential - but they also have Gaudreau and Laine and others. If they acquired a guy like Lindholm, to be the #1 for now, and eventually the #2 behind Fantilli (hopefully), they would fast track their rebuild by YEARS. They could be a playoff team this year, and be on their way to being something really good.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I don't like the idea of just running with kids, though - you need vets to show them the way.

CBJ have Fantilli, Johnson and Sillinger - lots of potential - but they also have Gaudreau and Laine and others. If they acquired a guy like Lindholm, to be the #1 for now, and eventually the #2 behind Fantilli (hopefully), they would fast track their rebuild by YEARS. They could be a playoff team this year, and be on their way to being something really good.

Yep, and they're getting to that spot of the rebuild process now. They went out and got Severson and Provorov on the back end, so if they could land a centre to help up front that would be big. This business of trying Laine out at C is silly, but they're just at that stage.

[Bingo]

Can't imagine there being an NHL winger less likely to succeed converting to center. Patrick Kane? Ovechkin?

[Heavy Jack]

Lindy makes a ton of sense for CBJ; I’d want Sillinger coming back though along with a protected 1st and a roster player and I’m not sure they’d be willing to pay that

[Vinny01]

The Flames downgrading from Lindholm to Sillinger would be significant and would be a ballsy call by Conroy but I think most of the fanbase would be excited about bringing in young talent to support the veterans. The lack of picks in 17-18 and losing Tkachuk hurts the 23-26 age group of the roster but with Sillinger joining the group of Coronato, Wolf, Pelletier, Honzek etc is appealing for a team that doesn’t want to go fully into the tank.


If the gap cannot be closed between the Flames and Lindholm then the Jackets make an absolute fantastic trade partner for the Flames. I don’t love Kadri-Backlund as the top 2 C but I think it is better than having Lindholm-Kadri-Backlund signed long term eating up a combined $21M+ on the cap.

[Fischy13]

I’m shocked nobody has mentioned the Jordan Staal deal that was just signed this summer. I think he’s a great comparable to Backlund in age and production (slightly less) and value to the team. His deal is much more friendly AAV but is 4 years, than either that are rumored to be on the table for Backlund. He’s the captain as well if I’m not mistaken.

[Heavy Jack]

Maybe you can have Roslovic as the added roster player? UFA end of the year, 26 going on 27, not the greatest faceoff percentage by any means but he takes lots of draws and could slot into the 3rd line center spot.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Fischy13

I’m shocked nobody has mentioned the Jordan Staal deal that was just signed this summer. I think he’s a great comparable to Backlund in age and production (slightly less) and value to the team. His deal is much more friendly AAV but is 4 years, than either that are rumored to be on the table for Backlund. He’s the captain as well if I’m not mistaken.

It has been discussed, actually.

Backlund has a higher PPG (about 0.6 vs 0.5) and is a better all around player at this point. Also, Staal has played 250 more games than Backlund (3 full seasons) and has had more injuries.

They are good comparables for sure, but I'm taking Backlund all day, over Staal, and would happily pay $1M more per year.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Fischy13

I’m shocked nobody has mentioned the Jordan Staal deal that was just signed this summer. I think he’s a great comparable to Backlund in age and production (slightly less) and value to the team. His deal is much more friendly AAV but is 4 years, than either that are rumored to be on the table for Backlund. He’s the captain as well if I’m not mistaken.

Yep, while Staal has a new 4 year deal, it also includes this year.

Speculated contract with Backlund is current year + 2 years (tbc)

AAV with Staal is way less at $2.9m

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by TOfan

I wonder if finishing tied for the third lowest point total in the league last year was part of their ‘plan’.

Jarmo's tires have been pumped on this site ever since I joined and there's just no track record to justify it.

Someone explain how Gudbranson's 4x4 is part of the plan. Or Elvis' 5x5.4.

And Johnson and Sillinger only have this season left on their ELCs. Roslovic is a pending UFA. Decisions...

Say - I wonder of they'd do something around signed Lindholm for signed Roslovic/Sillinger.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Maybe you can have Roslovic as the added roster player? UFA end of the year, 26 going on 27, not the greatest faceoff percentage by any means but he takes lots of draws and could slot into the 3rd line center spot.

Hold firm for Marchenko as the roster player.

Marchenko+Sillinger+ 2nd or so. That or Johnson.

[Bonded]

Sillinger is the type of prospect you have to gamble on in a Lindholm trade. The Flames aren't going to get a sure fire top six centre prospect back and Sillinger was tracking well before he hit a slump.

If a trade happens and they do better than Sillinger as the prospect coming back I'd be happy but I don't see it from any team.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Hold firm for Marchenko as the roster player.

Marchenko+Sillinger+ 2nd or so. That or Johnson.

No way they get Johnson IMO

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

The Jackets, other than hiring Babcock, are doing a lot of good right now.

Are they...or did the unintentionally suck their way into some early picks?

They've wanted to be a playoff team, they didn't plan to draft top 5 and get any of Fantilli, Johnson, or Jiricek.

The only real great move they made was that Chicago lost their mind and gave one of the biggest overpayments in a trade ever to acquire Seth Jones.

Provorov trade...don't love it.

Gudbranson signing...barf.

Moving Bjorkstrand for nothing...bad move.

Merzlikins contract....doesn't look great.

They are unintentionally sucking their way into building a good young core, but not sure they get a ton of credit for that.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Can't imagine there being an NHL winger less likely to succeed converting to center. Patrick Kane? Ovechkin?

Kane at least carries the puck. Big names: Tkachuk maybe.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Lindy makes a ton of sense for CBJ; I’d want Sillinger coming back though along with a protected 1st and a roster player and I’m not sure they’d be willing to pay that

I doubt they want to sign him to a long term extension. Much give up premium futures for him.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I doubt they want to sign him to a long term extension. Much give up premium futures for him.

If Lindholm was willing to sign in Columbus they'd do in half a second. Jarmo went for it when he knew he was losing Bob and Panarin and Columbus has got to be up there with Canadian teams in terms of attracting UFAs

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Are they...or did the unintentionally suck their way into some early picks?

They've wanted to be a playoff team, they didn't plan to draft top 5 and get any of Fantilli, Johnson, or Jiricek.

The only real great move they made was that Chicago lost their mind and gave one of the biggest overpayments in a trade ever to acquire Seth Jones.

Provorov trade...don't love it.

Gudbranson signing...barf.

Moving Bjorkstrand for nothing...bad move.

Merzlikins contract....doesn't look great.

They are unintentionally sucking their way into building a good young core, but not sure they get a ton of credit for that.

They also lost Panarin and Bobrovsky to free agency for nothing and did that in a season where they were the 8 seed. It's amazing how good they look considering all the moves that CP says you just can't afford to do.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

They also lost Panarin and Bobrovsky to free agency for nothing and did that in a season where they were the 8 seed. It's amazing how good they look considering all the moves that CP says you just can't afford to do.

Traded a 1st++ for Duchene that year too and then he walked that offseason as well.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Traded a 1st++ for Duchene that year too and then he walked that offseason as well.

Forgot about that. Really, they have made a ton of bad moves and fell into a bunch of your potential stars.

If Backlund takes the 2 years @ $4.5 mil I think it is a good move for the Flames but if not, Flames should just trade him or anyone else that has 0 interest in signing now. I've said on here before that waiting for a better return at the deadline likely is not franchise altering return, the real gain is with our own first being higher in the draft. The Blue Jacket or the Oilers in the past have shown that even teams that are poorly run and make terrible move after terrible move can turn the corner when getting high picks.

You can look at the Flames draft history over the last decade and they really haven't drafted better in the 2nd vs the 3rd or 4th.

We also have drafted terrible in the late 1st.

If we can't lock down these guys we might as well move them now and get the top pick that actually can be franchise altering. Even just one year at the top of the draft and all the additional cap space could dramatically change this team's future.