Coalition Deal To Topple Minority Tory Govt- [Update Parliament Prorogued until Jan]

[redforever]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

In Israel there is something like 23 parties that have seats in parliament. Obviously they have to work together in order to get things done.

That is all this is. It is odd with only 4 parties but it's not without precedent.

The problem is they can't and don't work together. Their system is chaos.

[browna]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

In Italy, Germany, Sweden this talk would all be laughed at. In Sweden the *FOUR* right wing parties formed a coalition against the one leftish party. The Swedish Social Democrats had 129 seats, 36 more than any other party and yet their leader resigned in shame. Having the most seats in a splintered minority government means absolutely jack sh*t. It's about time Canada learned what most other countries already know.

Originally Posted by Caged Great

In Israel there is something like 23 parties that have seats in parliament. Obviously they have to work together in order to get things done.

That is all this is. It is odd with only 4 parties but it's not without precedent.

So now we're down to trotting out governments halfway around the world, socialist Sweden, and Israel of all places, to hold up as models of favourable potential outcomes and to justify what's happening in this country, something that hasn't happened here, since WWI??

In any of those "worldly situations" that we should all be in awe of, I wonder if the various participants in those coalitions include a faction that wants to split the country up?

[IGGYRULES]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I think that email address is wrong. I think its info@gg.ca

I think you're right. I'll edit now!

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by SebC

Heck, let's just shut off the TransCanada pipeline until they give us what we want.

Excellent idea, we might as well start acting like Quebec and getting what we want. I mean its not like we live in a country where every region is equal under the eyes of the government.

[CaptainCrunch]

I would hardly site Israel as an example of a stable or properly run coalition government.

And until someone can show me a government that has given the hammer to a party dedicated to destroying the country, all comparisons are invalid.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Excellent idea, we might as well start acting like Quebec and getting what we want. I mean its not like we live in a country where every region is equal under the eyes of the government.

I'm telling you, Alberta is going about this whole power thing the wrong way. Having our regional party become national doesn't mean we've achieved power, it means that party has sold us out and we're too dumb to realise it.

[CaptainCrunch]

Your right, Alberta won't have any kind of power in the confederation until we make Ottawa sit up and take notice that we aren't second rate citizens and we aren't going to take their crap anymore.

[LGA]

So who wants to bet that the coalition government will spend a ton of money to try to jump start the Canadian economy...in the east, and end up screwing over Western Canada? I hear they don't want to use the oil sands or Alberta really, essentially we're going to get hooped economically. I see the Canadian dollar dropping tremendously, we're going to be bashing our heads as the dollar drops to half the value of the American dollar (which itself will have lost value).

God this is bad.

[Flame On]

Originally Posted by LGA

So who wants to bet that the coalition government will spend a ton of money to try to jump start the Canadian economy...in the east, and end up screwing over Western Canada? I hear they don't want to use the oil sands or Alberta really, essentially we're going to get hooped economically. I see the Canadian dollar dropping tremendously, we're going to be bashing our heads as the dollar drops to half the value of the American dollar (which itself will have lost value).

God this is bad.

And that will effect the Flames. To the streets people!

[nik-]

Alberta get pretty much get ready to get fisted once this happens.

[ikaris]

The accord between the Liberals, NDP, and Bloc:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/pdf/081201_Accord_en.pdf

Coalition policy to address current economic crisis:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/pdf/081201_Policy%20Frame_en.pdf

In reading the second document, it quite clearly states that the BQ cannot vote against the coalition in any non-confidence vote, speech to the Throne vote, or any budget vote (among other things) until June 2010. It says that the BQ will vote in favour of the government's position in all of the stated situations.

So exactly what power does the BQ yield in this coalition?

[Frequitude]

What a thread....

[Frequitude]

Originally Posted by ikaris

The accord between the Liberals, NDP, and Bloc:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/pdf/081201_Accord_en.pdf

Coalition policy to address current economic crisis:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/pdf/081201_Policy%20Frame_en.pdf

In reading the second document, it quite clearly states that the BQ cannot vote against the coalition in any non-confidence vote, speech to the Throne vote, or any budget vote (among other things) until June 2010.

So exactly what power does the BQ yield in this coalition?

How enforceable is that? Serious question.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by ikaris

The accord between the Liberals, NDP, and Bloc:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/pdf/081201_Accord_en.pdf

Coalition policy to address current economic crisis:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/pdf/081201_Policy%20Frame_en.pdf

In reading the second document, it quite clearly states that the BQ cannot vote against the coalition in any non-confidence vote, speech to the Throne vote, or any budget vote (among other things) until June 2010. It says that the BQ will vote in favour of the government's position in all of the stated situations.

So exactly what power does the BQ yield in this coalition?

It scares me not knowing why the BQ are doing this. I think they should have to disclose everything so the people know. I don't like the government giving blank cheques or promises to a seperation party.

[Mccree]

Originally Posted by ikaris

The accord between the Liberals, NDP, and Bloc:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/pdf/081201_Accord_en.pdf

Coalition policy to address current economic crisis:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/pdf/081201_Policy%20Frame_en.pdf

In reading the second document, it quite clearly states that the BQ cannot vote against the coalition in any non-confidence vote, speech to the Throne vote, or any budget vote (among other things) until June 2010. It says that the BQ will vote in favour of the government's position in all of the stated situations.

So exactly what power does the BQ yield in this coalition?

So the Bloc are doing this out of the goodness of the Hearts?

The better question is what and how much is in it for them?

[ikaris]

Originally Posted by Frequitude

How enforceable is that? Serious question.

Not exactly sure. I'm sure if they reneged they'd be in world of hurt in Quebec against the Liberals in the next election.

[psicodude]

Originally Posted by ikaris

The accord between the Liberals, NDP, and Bloc:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/pdf/081201_Accord_en.pdf

Coalition policy to address current economic crisis:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/pdf/081201_Policy%20Frame_en.pdf

In reading the second document, it quite clearly states that the BQ cannot vote against the coalition in any non-confidence vote, speech to the Throne vote, or any budget vote (among other things) until June 2010. It says that the BQ will vote in favour of the government's position in all of the stated situations.

So exactly what power does the BQ yield in this coalition?

If that's isn't democracy at work, I don't know what is.

[Bend it like Bourgeois]

Originally Posted by ikaris

The accord between the Liberals, NDP, and Bloc:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/pdf/081201_Accord_en.pdf

Coalition policy to address current economic crisis:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/pdf/081201_Policy%20Frame_en.pdf

In reading the second document, it quite clearly states that the BQ cannot vote against the coalition in any non-confidence vote, speech to the Throne vote, or any budget vote (among other things) until June 2010. It says that the BQ will vote in favour of the government's position in all of the stated situations.

So exactly what power does the BQ yield in this coalition?

It does not say 'cannot', it says will not as long as they support the agreement. Which is to say as long as they feel like it.

Even if it said 'double pinky swear we won't' it wouldn't mean anything else. There's no consequence for changing their mind.

[ikaris]

Originally Posted by Mccree

So the Bloc are doing this out of the goodness of the Hearts?

The better question is what and how much is in it for them?

Maybe it's the lesser of two evils for them? The auto and forestry "stimulus" seems to benefit Quebec greatly too.

[Mayer]

I know nothing about Canadian politics, so this may be a stupid question.

Why does this coalition government get to choose how long they are in power for (30 months was it?) yet the government who was actually elected can be ousted so easily? It doesn't make sense to me.