2024 Toronto Blue Jays Season Thread

[TKB]

The Varsho trade was such a disaster, He’s one of the worst hitting outfielders I’ve seen in a long time. He’s straight up a bench player at this stage.

[Inferno]

NSFW!

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[FireGilbert]

Originally Posted by TKB

The Varsho trade was such a disaster, He’s one of the worst hitting outfielders I’ve seen in a long time. He’s straight up a bench player at this stage.

Varsho would be fine as a CF batting 9th with a big bat in left field. Just a poorly constructed team.

[Mr.Coffee]

At the end of the day if your star players are not playing well you’re going to have a tough time in MLB. Vladdy, Bichette, Springer… you can’t have everyone batting sub .200 and expect a good time.

[Roof-Daddy]

Our ace is throwing 90 and can't even go two innings
Bo is already -0.3 fWAR and almost 0 wRC+
Same with Kirk
Vlad is once again a replacement level first baseman who pimps solo shots when his team is down 6 runs
KK has a negative wRC+ (LOL!)
Our two best relievers from last year are on the IL and haven't pitched an inning yet
Varsho is somehow even worse than last year (LOL! again)
The league scheduler started our season off with a 10 game road trip that went from FLA, to Houston, to NY to play three of the best projected teams in the league

Yet somehow, by some miracle, some way the Jays managed to come home only 4-6

Hahaha

[bluejays]

Bo is the one guy I'm not concerned about at all. He's shown he has a natural talent for getting the ball in play. So unless there's some disaster, he should be fine as the season comes along. Vlad, through his natural talent I doubt will ever be under .250 as a hitter. But the rest, yeesh. And Vlad's critique is valid because he's not playing to his potential. I'm not sure he trusts anyone on staff, as he seems to be doing his own thing for awhile, and while he isn't terrible, he isn't playing to his own potential. I've said it before and I'll say it again, this defence first in the OF thing is completely nonsense. That's the first thing they have to change. And given where this team is going this season, I truly think they have to deal some of their starters to do a rebuild/retool. There are just too many positions that are in need of a major upgrade, that can't be filled by a mediocre player. I'm looking specifically at C, LF, CF, 3B. At this point I've more or less given up on those guys, and the only way we to fill those needs are through a trade with our best starting pitchers as the bait. In a couple seasons when Tiedemann or Barrea are ready for the big show, Barrios, Basset, and Gausman may not be where they are today. Time to deal from a position of strength and get young guns. Martinez can hopefully eventually fill 3rd, but the prospect cupboard is looking kinda rough. Springer will probably look a bit older next year too which is something that may creep up on us soon. All in all, quality moving forward is looking a bit bleak, so to me you gotta deal that starting pitching now while the value is high.

[Jason14h]

This team never takes good hacks at strikes

Our doubles are all down the line loopers . This is clearly the teams hitting approach to spray the ball around

However , once pitchers know you aren’t ever swinging agressively they just challenge them with heat

Remember when the Jays use to kill fastballs ?

Fire the entire hitting staff and bring in a coach that brings back aggressiveness

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

This team never takes good hacks at strikes

Our doubles are all down the line loopers . This is clearly the teams hitting approach to spray the ball around

However , once pitchers know you aren’t ever swinging agressively they just challenge them with heat

Remember when the Jays use to kill fastballs ?

Fire the entire hitting staff and bring in a coach that brings back aggressiveness

I've been saying it for ages, I don't know why more MLB managers aren't more aggressive with the steals. You don't always have to attempt the steal, but distracting the pitcher can be really offputting. I don't think one manager truly does it well, but Arizona, TB and KC seemed to always keep teams on their toes enough. Certain guys on the Jays can be that guy, but they just don't. It really gets on my nerves because there are so many teams missing out on the opportunity to distract the pitcher.

[browna]

Am actually fine with what Vlad did.

There's some context here too, he hates the Yanks for I believe what he did to his dad back when, and he isn't shy about it. Moreso, remember Cole lighting up Vogelback in preseason for running slow (he really didn't), when the day before, Soto rounded the bases after his first spring HR, with a time a half marathoner would be fine with, and no one said anything.

[Jiri Hrdina]

But it looks real dumb when you are being blown out
Do you think the Yankees or their fans cared?

[KelVarnsen]

I’m indifferent to it. Vladdy is clearly a bust.

[bluejays]

Vlad is a bust comparatively to his near triple crown year. But we know there are extenuating circumstances (his mom’s situation) which is playing into this. But even at his bottom he’s a serviceable player. Some team will pay him well, so the Jays kinda have to make a decision in the next few months what they want to do with him as his season plays out. We know he’s not worth a 7 year deal and give. This past offseason we know a team is unlikely to give him a contract for that long. But a four year offer is definitely in the cards from someone. So do you do four years at $22M or do you trade him. Personally I really don’t know what to do with him.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by bluejays

Vlad is a bust comparatively to his near triple crown year. But we know there are extenuating circumstances (his mom’s situation) which is playing into this. But even at his bottom he’s a serviceable player. Some team will pay him well, so the Jays kinda have to make a decision in the next few months what they want to do with him as his season plays out. We know he’s not worth a 7 year deal and give. This past offseason we know a team is unlikely to give him a contract for that long. But a four year offer is definitely in the cards from someone. So do you do four years at $22M or do you trade him. Personally I really don’t know what to do with him.

It seems like one of those situations where your own advanced scouting team should have a big say. Is there something other pitchers have figured out that Vlad can't overcome or, like you said, is it outside stuff and there's reason to believe the .300/.400/.600 guy is going to be back.

[KelVarnsen]

Vladdy is a bust because he is a serviceable player. When he was a prospect he was supposed to be elite or at least a great player. He isn't elite or great.

He has the talent but doesn't have the toolbox or drive to be elite or great.

[Roof-Daddy]

I'll be pretty surprised if Bo and Vlad are still here next season.

I could see Bo being traded to the Giants at some point. Could be this season depending on where the Giants and Jays are in the standings, or the off season.

Vlad might end up being released if he has another 1 fWAR season. Nobody will want to give anything up for a 1 fWAR first baseman that is going to get $20 million in arb

[jayswin]

Yeah, I think we're on the precipice of this becoming a failed build, at which point we'll see some moves including Bo and Vladdy.

It'll be a battle for Rogers as they will want to A) replace management but also B) Not announce a rebuild is coming when they just completed two massive years of a $300mil renovation that included jacking up ticket prices.

[jayswin]

It's really too bad this is where we're at after all these years. I remember being so jacked when Vladdy was on the verge of coming up to the Jays and we had made a decent amount of rebuilding moves.

I thought we were really in line for a special team that would contend for years. Instead it's just been mediocre team and mediocre seasons the whole time and looks to be fizzling out.

It's actually pretty impressive to have put together as strong of pitching as we have over the past few years and yet not even become a threat to anyone playoff-wise due to mind-numbingly mediocre/poor offense.

[Roof-Daddy]

I don't know if it would be a rebuild.

Removing a 1 WAR first baseman and a 3-5 WAR shortstop from the line up won't sewer the team that much if they still have a strong pitching staff to build around.

It's a hard thing to wrap your head around, because we all expected these two to be superstars, they aren't.

If the pitching falls apart that's a different story.

[Inferno]

[KelVarnsen]

Ugly?