[Trade] Monahan and conditional 2025 1st to Montreal for future considerations

[Locke]

Originally Posted by mile

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Well...technically 'Florida' has already won a few Cups. With some heavy cheating mind you, but they're still a really good team.

A really good team? No, not the one in Sunrise, the one in Tampa.

[monkeyman]

Monahan seems pretty happy to be given a fresh start. That and being the last year of his contract, I think he'll be motivated to play well. I wouldn't be shocked to see him have a bit of a resurgence this year. I wish him well.

[FanIn80]

Will he get 100 points this season? Maybe not, but a 40G repeat is most certainly on the radar for Chucky. Barkov and Reinhart aren’t exactly slouches out there.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Will he get 100 points this season? Maybe not, but a 40G repeat is most certainly on the radar for Chucky. Barkov and Reinhart aren’t exactly slouches out there.

But neither of those guys are a Gaudreau or Huberdeau level playmaker.

Gaudreau did a LOT for Chucky's totals and he can thank JG for the number at which he was signed.

There's a reason thar he went for the extension now and not later. He knows he'll be hard pressed to repeat that season again.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Will he get 100 points this season? Maybe not, but a 40G repeat is most certainly on the radar for Chucky. Barkov and Reinhart aren’t exactly slouches out there.

Before he played with Gaudreau and Lindholm he never get close to 40 goals. Yes, Barkov and Reinhart aren't exactly slouches but they are not playmakers neither. My guess, the most he'll score is 30g 30a.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

Before he played with Gaudreau and Lindholm he never get close to 40 goals. Yes, Barkov and Reinhart aren't exactly slouches but they are not playmakers neither. My guess, the most he'll score is 30g 30a.

Look at the stats you posted. He scored 34 playing second line minutes with Backlund and Frolik.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Look at the stats you posted. He scored 34 playing second line minutes with Backlund and Frolik.

I think Tkachuk has a good shot at scoring 40 goals again, but 100 points will be much harder.

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Look at the stats you posted. He scored 34 playing second line minutes with Backlund and Frolik.

*while playing on the top power play unit with Gaudreau (99 points) Monahan(82) Lindholm (78) and Giordano (74)

[Sandman]

I think Tkachuk is an 80 pt winger, and there's nothing wrong with that.

Unless you're a Panthers fan.

[djsFlames]

I think Tkatchuk is a winger that will put up anywhere between 60 and 90 points, and whose feet are basically cinderblocks.

And there's nothing wrong with that (unless you're a Panthers fan).

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I think Tkachuk is an 80 pt winger, and there's nothing wrong with that.

Unless you're a Panthers fan.

Yeah, nothing wrong at all with Tkachuck, he's an amazing player and I'm really happy we got a few years out of him. The only problem with Tkachuck is what Florida wants and thinks him to be.

Their GM went starry eyed when he was available and put his team on a short list, and basically gushed that he was a "unicorn" and ended up giving double the star players he should have sent over for him.

Huberdeau, a prospect and a first would have likely got the deal done, but he decided "do you want a top pairing D-man as well?" cause he truly loves Tkachuk and thinks he picked up an annual 100 point, power forward, enforcer who will do the team laundry and zamboni the ice for the panthers.

[djsFlames]

Whenever people in hockey use the word enforcer when describing Tkachuk you know right then that they don't know/have completely misread what Chucky actually brings to the table.

He's a lot of great things, but an enforcer he is not.

Unicorn? I mean sure. But when you think about it that just makes him an everyday horse with a cone-shaped growth on its head.

[dammage79]

Tkachuks greatly miconceived. He's not a thug. He's a .... ######bag. Intent is to rile you up and take stupid penalties. But that only gets you so far after a few years. Sooner or later, he will have to pony up some penance.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Whenever people in hockey use the word enforcer when describing Tkachuk you know right then that they don't know/have completely misread what Chucky actually brings to the table.

He's a lot of great things, but an enforcer he is not.

Unicorn? I mean sure. But when you think about it that just makes him an everyday horse with a cone-shaped growth on its head.

Same wth the term power forward. I mean maybe that term has evolved as the years went by, but to me Tkachuck is not a power forward. He's a skilled winger that likes to muck it up in scrums. His goals though are not attributed to being a power forward like say Jarome Iginla. Matthew's goals are skill and separate from his pest/physical game, imo.

I think media see the goal and point totals and penalties (plus the highlight reel scrums) and just assume that he's a power forward.

[Philly06Cup]

Debbie Downer post.

The nostalgia love for Monahan is insane. Even before his injuries, Monahan played soft. Not great at carrying the puck despite being a center. Not great along the boards. Never used his size. His defensive game was never a finished product, always in the works. His one elite trait was a nice shot and finding open spots on the ice for that shot. There was a reason he was nicknamed the garbage man, and people wanted him moved to the wing. His goal and point totals were largely carried by Gaudreau. Eventually, Monahan's game got so bad, he dragged Gaudreau to career lows. Gaudreau's game recovered after being separated from Monahan; Monahan's game got even worse. Overall, he was a one-dimensional opportunistic sniper who got lucky to ride Gaudreau's coattails for as long as he did.

Sure, you can mention injuries. Speculation, but Monahan chose to play through injury instead of seek surgery or rest. This made his game and career worse, and the Flames suffered because of it. Flames could've gotten a fully rehabilitated player or at least cap space if not for Monahan's poor decision to play hurt. Maybe team doctors are partly to blame, but Monahan owns a part of that, too.

I can still wish him well, but people are conveniently forgetting all of the frustrating things about his time here.

[TheSquatch]

Originally Posted by Philly06Cup

Debbie Downer post.

The nostalgia love for Monahan is insane. Even before his injuries, Monahan played soft. Not great at carrying the puck despite being a center. Not great along the boards. Never used his size. His defensive game was never a finished product, always in the works. His one elite trait was a nice shot and finding open spots on the ice for that shot. There was a reason he was nicknamed the garbage man, and people wanted him moved to the wing. His goal and point totals were largely carried by Gaudreau. Eventually, Monahan's game got so bad, he dragged Gaudreau to career lows. Gaudreau's game recovered after being separated from Monahan; Monahan's game got even worse. Overall, he was a one-dimensional opportunistic sniper who got lucky to ride Gaudreau's coattails for as long as he did.

Sure, you can mention injuries. Speculation, but Monahan chose to play through injury instead of seek surgery or rest. This made his game and career worse, and the Flames suffered because of it. Flames could've gotten a fully rehabilitated player or at least cap space if not for Monahan's poor decision to play hurt. Maybe team doctors are partly to blame, but Monahan owns a part of that, too.

I can still wish him well, but people are conveniently forgetting all of the frustrating things about his time here.

I feel the same way.

Flames fans are largely rose-colored about Monahan because he came on the heels of such a talentless time for the team, and heralded a new era.

Scoring touch yes, but a tough guy to play against he never was. Add into that two other critical factors - the game changed from the grinding mess we had 15 years ago to the much faster version we have now, and he never had the wheels for it. Add injuries into that and you have the current debilitated version we saw last year.

Love to see him get back to 100% health, but my honest hope for him is that he retires before he loses his ability to walk properly for the rest of his life.

Great dude, good Flame, best center man for a long while, but ... not a great centerman, a competent one.

[jayswin]

Oh yeah, Monahan was never what you wanted from a number one centreman, in fact he's kind of the opposite of what you'd draw up if you were trying to draft one, even a second line one. Poor defensively, not strong, not physical. He was a sniper, which is what you want from a winger.

But I loved the fact that he just played without complaint and gave us what he could with his skillset and never once leaned on the injury excuse when he so easily could have. Of all our past stars he deserves a standing ovation and he'll get one. I can't wait.

One of my favourites to wear the Flaming C.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

I think Tkatchuk is a winger that will put up anywhere between 60 and 90 points, and whose feet are basically cinderblocks.

And there's nothing wrong with that (unless you're a Panthers fan).

I got into kind of a heated argument with a friend a few months ago, and my position was that we should look into trading Chucky, before handing him any long-term contract. The reason was that players who are deficient skaters decline much faster these days, starting a steep decline around 30. Kinda like Dany Heatley. That's gonna be Chucky.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

Before he played with Gaudreau and Lindholm he never get close to 40 goals. Yes, Barkov and Reinhart aren't exactly slouches but they are not playmakers neither. My guess, the most he'll score is 30g 30a.

Sorry, how many games do you think he plays then?

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I got into kind of a heated argument with a friend a few months ago, and my position was that we should look into trading Chucky, before handing him any long-term contract. The reason was that players who are deficient skaters decline much faster these days, starting a steep decline around 30. Kinda like Dany Heatley. That's gonna be Chucky.

Maybe. Dave Andreychuk liked to go to the front of the net, and he ended up with an ok career