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[GGG]

Originally Posted by Mightyfire89

Hmmm...I disagree, but it's definitely something to think about. Not being sarcastic.

I think people compartmentalize their belief. When it comes to things that require rational thought and analysis of data you rationally consider things.

When it comes to spiritual beliefs not a lot of thought is put into and you enjoy the meditative ritual and community aspects of it.

This site is dedicated to one of the most purely irrational forms of entertainment sports fanaticism. So does my irrational love of the flames and hatred of the oilers which causes congnitive dissonance in what I observe affect the rest of my life?

In the same way religious belief does not need to interfere with rational thought. It's just one area people choose to be irrational in. That does not include the conservative Christians who are trying to take away rights of others or get science booted out of classrooms or placed on an equal footing as creationism.

Being a athiest doesn't all of a sudden make your decisions rational and logical.

[cracher]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

76% of doctors believe in God. They're some of the most educated of any profession and they believe in God.

A doctor thinks critically and realistically so guess you're wrong.

http://chronicle.uchicago.edu/050714/doctorsfaith.shtml

This stat doesn't shock me, especially considering where in the US I lived.

You're talking about 2 different things here. You can be rational and methodical in your approach to work. It's how you're trained and, in school, they hold your hand to teach you how to approach issues/solve problems.

That's one thing. What is being discussed is this thread is completely different. I personally know plenty of people who can execute teir work to an ultra-high standard... But when you ask them, "why is shoplifting wrong?" they will reply because "sin". They, being some of the smartest people I know, won't/don't need to get past that. It's not about the empathy for the store owner who paid for the item. It's not about the potential consequence of going to jail. They don't think of it as a sociopathic act. It's more of a banana peel on their own stairway to heaven. And this has minimal influence on job performance.

[polak]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

76% of doctors believe in God. They're some of the most educated of any profession and they believe in God.

A doctor thinks critically and realistically so guess you're wrong.

http://chronicle.uchicago.edu/050714/doctorsfaith.shtml

76% of American* doctors believed in God in 2005*

The US was quite religious 12 years ago.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by SixPoundBurrito

76% of American* doctors believed in God in 2005*

The US was quite religious 12 years ago.

So all these doctors surveyed are dead and/or not religious any more?

The U.S is still quite religious. Just a stupid argument for someone to say people who believe in God don't think critically. I've seen a few people in this thread mention education as well so we know that's total BS.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by SixPoundBurrito

76% of American* doctors believed in God in 2005*

The US was quite religious 12 years ago.

Oh, I dont think Trumps's election convinced that many people that God doesnt exist.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

I've seen a few people in this thread mention education as well so we know that's total BS.

From the article you posted:

"Religious belief tends to decrease as education and income levels increase"

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

From the article you posted:

"Religious belief tends to decrease as education and income levels increase"

This struck me more :

Christian, Mormon and Buddhist doctors were the most likely to report, “My religious beliefs influence my practice of medicine.” Jewish and Hindu physicians were the least likely. Physicians from the South and Midwest were slightly more religious than those from the East and West.

[Raekwon]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

From the article you posted:

"Religious belief tends to decrease as education and income levels increase"

[DuffMan]

religion for doctors, like all demographics in civilized countries will be waning, not increasing.

There's a reason religion is biggest in less civilized countries and counties.

I know personally, religion has been completely removed from my family in 4 generations.
Grandparents were religious, parents, slightly religious, took me to church as a kid, me not religious, knew I didn't believe in God when I was about 12 or 13, my kid, not religious, never been to church aside from weddings and funerals.

My brothers and their immediate families, my wifes siblings and their immediate families are all in the same boat.

Science, logic and common sense is replacing religion.

Do you think 76% of doctors in North America will be religious in 25 years from now?

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

From the article you posted:

"Religious belief tends to decrease as education and income levels increase"

Psychologytoday.com - Why Are Religious People (Generally) Less Intelligent?

Christianitytoday.com - Why Intelligent People Are Less Likely to Be Religious

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

76% of doctors believe in God. They're some of the most educated of any profession and they believe in God.

A doctor thinks critically and realistically so guess you're wrong.

http://chronicle.uchicago.edu/050714/doctorsfaith.shtml

Have you got an article on Scientists (which is a broad term) and their views on God?

[calgaryblood]

According to the General Social Survey, which has collected data on Americans since 1972, people who are educated often are more religious by various measures. For instance, as of 2010 sociologist Philip Schwadel found that with each additional year of education: the likelihood of attending religious services increased 15%, the likelihood of reading the Bible at least occasionally increased by 9%. The likelihood of switching to a mainline Protestant denomination increased by 13%.[6] On belief in God or a higher power, Schwadel said, “With more years of education, you aren’t relatively more likely to say, ‘I don’t believe in God...But you are relatively more likely to say, ‘I believe in a higher power.’”[6]

Numerous studies have been done that show religious belief increases with education and decreases with no education.

And I'm sure you can find a study that says the opposite. The wonderful world of studies.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Have you got an article on Scientists (which is a broad term) and their views on God?

What difference does that make. Follow along.

I'm not saying "omgz religious ppl are smrt"

Someone mentioned people who believe in God can't think critically. That's patently false. Don't care whether atheists are the smartest people on earth. Being religious has nothing to do with being able to think critically.

[DuffMan]

Ben Carson is a neuro surgeon, so he can obviously think critically, but he also thinks the pyramids were used for grain storage, and the earth is 10,000 years old.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

What difference does that make. Follow along.

I'm not saying "omgz religious ppl are smrt"

Someone mentioned people who believe in God can't think critically. That's patently false. Don't care whether atheists are the smartest people on earth. Being religious has nothing to do with being able to think critically.

oO, I will take that as a no.

Literally I was asking if you had a study as you seem to have quality internet research skills.


FYI, everything isn't an attack on you.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

oO, I will take that as a no.

Literally I was asking if you had a study as you seem to have quality internet research skills.


FYI, everything isn't an attack on you.

It's a no because you clearly weren't following along. What was the point of your question? You read the article that said scientists are mostly not religious now tell me what your point was.

[peter12]

I think most in this thread would do well by themselves to read Walker Percy's "Lost in the Cosmos." It shows my religion seems to be so ridiculous in this post-modern age, why science seems to be more true but also increasingly alienating, and why we might need religion more than ever to truly understand who we are as relational, social creatures.

I cannot recommend this book enough to anyone - whether they be religious, atheist or just a searcher or wanderer.

To be clear, I belong to the last category.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

Ben Carson is a neuro surgeon, so he can obviously think critically, but he also thinks the pyramids were used for grain storage, and the earth is 10,000 years old.

Prove the earth isn't 10,000 years old. You can believe someone's theories on why it's much older but in the end that's no better than believing in the bible.

You can't prove it, can you?

[DuffMan]

no thanks

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Prove the earth isn't 10,000 years old. You can believe someone's theories on why it's much older but in the end that's no better than believing in the bible.

You can't prove it, can you?

lol