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Old 03-20-2009, 03:12 PM   #821
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If I had to take a guess at another ending. The last scene is in the hallway of a massive spaceship. The sound of boot heels hits the deck at a speed that indicates jogging. A feminine voice cries out "Make a hole people" as she skirts around a crowd of civilians being lead by the minister of education. Starbuck is out for a jog.

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Old 03-20-2009, 03:15 PM   #822
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I believe the entire series is going to be released on blu-ray later on this year. I don't care what the price is, I must have it!

Yes I agree that 33 was one of the best episodes, what a great way to start the show after the miniseries.
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I really wish I had a dual tuner PVR and not just a PVR tonight.
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Old 03-20-2009, 03:17 PM   #824
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I believe the entire series is going to be released on blu-ray later on this year. I don't care what the price is, I must have it!

Yes I agree that 33 was one of the best episodes, what a great way to start the show after the miniseries.
Considering I have everything else on DVD I don't know if I can justify reacquiring it all in HD.
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Considering I have everything else on DVD I don't know if I can justify reacquiring it all in HD.
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Old 03-20-2009, 09:03 PM   #827
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So is Starbuck an angel?
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Old 03-20-2009, 09:09 PM   #828
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So is Starbuck an angel?
Nice resolution, mankind splits up to break the cycle, and it looks like the cycle was slowly happening again even though the angels thought that it was broken.

It looks like Starbuck was an angel, and if the cycle repeats she is the harbringer of death for getting them to that point where mankind could rebuild itself to destroy itself.

Hera was indeed the hope for mankind as she was the mother of mankind.

It was interesting to see Cavil killing himself when he saw his race destroyed as the colony was blown up and the rest of the cylon's on Galactica were killed.
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Old 03-20-2009, 09:11 PM   #829
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Nice resolution, mankind splits up to break the cycle, and it looks like the cycle was slowly happening again even though the angels thought that it was broken.

It looks like Starbuck was an angel, and if the cycle repeats she is the harbringer of death for getting them to that point where mankind could rebuild itself to destroy itself.

Hera was indeed the hope for mankind as she was the mother of mankind.

It was interesting to see Cavil killing himself when he saw his race destroyed as the colony was blown up and the rest of the cylon's on Galactica were killed.
Yeah, thats pretty much what I thought. So then was Daniel an agent of God as much as Baltar and Caprica Six? And then Kara's mother abused her because she knew Dainiel's daughter was on a 'mission'.


I do love how it ended though.
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Yeah, thats pretty much what I thought. So then was Daniel an agent of God as much as Baltar and Caprica Six? And then Kara's mother abused her because she knew Dainiel's daughter was on a 'mission'.


I do love how it ended though.
Thats kinda what I was thinking as well.
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Thats kinda what I was thinking as well.
Well then, we're just both brilliant. I guess all that argument about that's North America on Earth 1.
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So what was the Cylon "plan"?
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The same as the writer's plan.

They never had one.
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I do love how it ended though.
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Old 03-21-2009, 04:39 AM   #836
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so didn't the show's creators say outright that this show's timeline was in our future? looks like they took the Sutter route and deliberately mislead the public. also what's the story with Earth? both the nuclear fallout one and the green fields one had the same continent layout, that confused me
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The same as the writer's plan.

They never had one.
There is a two hour Battlestar movie coming out this summer called "The Plan," dealing specifically with that question from the Cylon point of view. So, apparently, there IS a plan and all will be revealed.

I liked the season finale, even though I entered it hoping most would be dead by the end!! It wasn't the ending I envisioned but it didn't freak me out in any way either.

A lot of the complaints about the finale seem to revolve around the Lee Adama/Starbuck story. Poof!! She's gone. There's was always a story of unrequited, unattainable love and in the end, she'd chosen her man Anders anyway. When Anders muttered: "See you on the other side," at their goodbye, is that where SHE went in the end? We can certainly imagine that. Starbuck had led them to Earth, the real one this time, and her destiny was done. And he's off on a walk to eventually die on a glacier, frozen in time.

Moore: Kara is what you want her to be. It’s easy to put the label on her of “angel” or “messenger of God” or something like that. Kara Thrace died and was resurrected and came back and took the people to their final end. That was her role, her destiny in the show… We debated back and forth in the writers’ room about giving it more clarity and saying definitively what she is. We decided that the more you try to put a name on it, the less interesting it became, and we just decided this was the most interesting way for her to go out, with her just disappearing and [leave people wondering exactly what she was].

Also, from the story link above, some explanations are helpful:

In the last scene, are “Six” and “Baltar” angels or demons?

Moore: I think they’re both. We never try to name exactly what the “Head” characters are—we called them “Head Baltar” and “Head Six” all throughout the show, internally. We never really looked at them as angels or demons because they seemed to periodically say evil things and good things, they tended to save people and they tended to damn people. There was this sense that they worked in service of something else. You could say “a higher power” or you could say “another power,” [but] they were in service to something else that was guiding and helping, sometimes obstructing, and sometimes tempting the people on the show. The idea at the very end was that whatever they are in service to continues and is eternal and is always around. And they too are still around…and with all of us who are the children of Hera. They continue to walk among us and watch, and at some point they may or may not intercede at a key moment.

So . . . . . there is a God. And Angels. And demons. In hindsight, I think this might be what bothered pure sci-fi fans about this finale. Although the "science fiction" and "fantasy" sections are side-by-side at your local book store, they can be world's apart for their fans. Gods, angels and demons in sci-fi often, in the end, have a rational explanation - as with "Illium" by Dan Simmonds as an example - while the opposite is usually the case in the fantasy genre.

That God, Angels/Demons would have no end, rational explanation in the Battlestar finale - and might be factual in that world - seems to tick off many fans of the genre . . . . . and many fans of the genre might be atheists. We have seen, however, throughout the Battlestar sweep the proposition that religion might actually have basis in fact. The ending merely continued that and eventually confirmed it.

Interesting they had the idea of Six walking through Times Square "long ago." Interesting that the writers had decided years ago that they would eventually settle on "Earth of the past."

Who attacked the original Earth?

Moore: The backstory of the original Earth was supposed to be that the 13th tribe of cylons came to that world, started over and essentially destroyed themselves. There was some internecine warfare that occurred among the cylons themselves, which was another repetition in the cycle of “all of this has happened before and all will happen again.” Even they, who were the rebels that split off, [had] enough of humanity in them as cylons that they eventually destroyed themselves.

Funny to see Ron Moore interject himself into the final scenes - in case you didn't know, he's the guy reading the magazine.

I'll probably pull the entire thing out again next Fall and watch it from the mini-series forward through to the end.

Nice to have a series that has a start, middle and end. This one will be a classic.

I think there were a lot of epic moments and that, while I loved the episode "33," the two episodes comprising the season one finale might have been my favourites. A stunning, poetic conclusion to that season. But suicidal Lee floating in space watching the battle raging around him - which I immediately recognized as a copy of a real event at The Battle Of Midway - or the season opener with Tigh in a jail cell, or the trial of Gaius Baltar . . . . . . well, there are, sorry, were, a lot of epic moments in this series.

In truth, there were very few episodes I didn't like at all.

Minor note, the setting where they landed sure looks a lot like southern Alberta. It was like they were walking across the pasturelands around here. Seriously. They certainly weren't in Africa. I wonder if that was Saskachewan, southern Alberta or, I seem to remember, something about Mission BC area.

The preview for Caprica looks great!!!

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so didn't the show's creators say outright that this show's timeline was in our future?
They never did, they wouldn't even say if the show was taking place in our galaxy and/or universe.

I could barely sleep last night after watching this, my mind was racing trying to put it all together. Even though the show ended on a relatively positive note I still felt that it was quite bittersweet. Most of the survivors choosing to spread far and wide, almost like they were sick of their own fellow humans after all those years of being on the run. Tyrol just completely done with everything and everyone, the rage in his eyes before he killed Tory.

Kara just disappearing really threw me for a loop, and probably messed Lee up for the rest of his days.

I'm going to miss this show, but can't wait to revisit it from time to time on dvd and experience the characters and story all over again.

Bravo Ron Moore & company, it was an amazing ride.
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so didn't the show's creators say outright that this show's timeline was in our future?
I don't remember if they said that or not but they could use the "All this has happened before, and it will happen again" to say that it is in our future.

I really liked the finale. A great ending to the series. Much like everyone else I thought everyone was going to die but they did a really good job with how things ended.
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