Israel declares war on Hamas

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

This is your defence to a statement “How dare they say we can’t rape people“ ?

A comment like that has no place on this board. Terrible.

It's ok. You can report it.

The mods and everyone will simply see your desperation and dismiss it as you deliberately misrepresenting and joking around the serious issue of rape to try and score cheap points.

Shame on you.

[Fl4me5]

Originally Posted by Bagor

What trend did you notice?
The trend since the very beginning of this thread where All Gazans were deemed guilty and rotten to the core and Hamas by default and anyone defending their slaughter was pretty much the same?

I'm genuinely curious why that didn't trigger you?

Yet when the same standards are applied you get upset?

This guy is a RECENTLY elected senior official and most likely will be reelected.

Can you imagine a politician in any other country saying that?

Can you point me to one Israeli source condemning him?

Dude, there's been like 3 people who have said that in this thread and they have rightfully been blasted by the majority. Would it have made you feel better if i was one of those posters earlier in the thread? Again, I can't comment here every day.

The trend is that you constantly use fringe examples to build your narrative, completely disregarding the view of the average person.

Smotrich is absolutely disgusting and insane, and is one of the biggest threats to Israel's reputation right now. And no, he will not be reelected.

Do I have any mainstream media sources? No, because I doubt that is the narrative the media companies want to push. You wouldn't click on a link that claimed that anyways, you love reading about things that paint Israel in a bad light.

But if you want to read through the ACTUAL opinions of the average Israeli - i encourage you to do a quick browse of the comments here from actual individuals who have a horse in the race :
https://www.reddit.com/r/Israel/s/ZU0GbnnFqs

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Bagor

It's ok. You can report it.

The mods and everyone will simply see your desperation and dismiss it as you deliberately misrepresenting and joking around the serious issue of rape to try and score cheap points.

Shame on you.

Really? I’m not trying to score points on rape.

I called you out on a disgusting comment. That is all.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Really? I’m not trying to score points on rape.

I called you out on a disgusting comment. That is all.

He was very obviously paraphrasing someone from the Israeli government and your response was to question why someone would be upset about rape?

You... don’t see how you made the more disgusting comment out of the two of you, do you?

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Really? I’m not trying to score points on rape.

I called you out on a disgusting comment. That is all.

Actually. What you're doing is showing everyone here the levels that you will stoop to. This issue says more about you.

Given how outraged you are I hope you have reported the post so that the mods can determine if you're either a) too stupid to comprehend a post or b) a lowlife that is willing to weaponize rape in order for some internet points.

Shame on you.
First deliberately lying to deny deliberate starvation of a population. Now, deliberately trying to minimize and weaponize rape.

[Fl4me5]

Whoever it was that was begging people to watch John Oliver.....

https://www.camera.org/article/john-...s-it-is-crass/

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Fl4me5

The trend is that you constantly use fringe examples to build your narrative

Fringe examples?
This is the frickin Israeli finance minister. A senior elected government official.

And what exactly do you consider my narrative to be?
That Israel is deliberately committing genocide through...

Indiscriminate bombing of civilians
Deliberate sniping of civilians
Deliberate destruction of infrastructure
Deliberate killing of children including blowing to bits, burning alive, sniping at.
Deliberate killing of medical personnel
Raping and torturing detainees.
Interning without trial thousands. Essentially hostage taking.
And deliberate starvation of a whole population through deliberately withholding essentials for life?

What else are you seeing?

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Bagor

Actually. What you're doing is showing everyone here the levels that you will stoop to. This issue says more about you.

Given how outraged you are I hope you have reported the post so that the mods can determine if you're either a) too stupid to comprehend a post or b) a lowlife that is willing to weaponize rape in order for some internet points.

Shame on you.
First deliberately lying to deny deliberate starvation of a population. Now, deliberately trying to minimize and weaponize rape.

Not trying to weaponize rape. Never said that, not even close.

Just calling out a disgusting comment. That is all.

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by Fl4me5

Whoever it was that was begging people to watch John Oliver.....

https://www.camera.org/article/john-...s-it-is-crass/

From Wikipedia. Camera.org is an awful organization.

In an April 2008 article, online publication The Electronic Intifada reported on the existence of a Google group set up by CAMERA. The stated purpose of the group was "help[ing] us keep Israel-related entries on Wikipedia from becoming tainted by anti-Israel editors".[59] The Electronic Intifada accused CAMERA of "orchestrating a secret, long-term campaign to infiltrate the popular online encyclopedia Wikipedia to rewrite Palestinian history, pass off crude propaganda as fact, and take over Wikipedia administrative structures to ensure these changes go either undetected or unchallenged".[60] Andre Oboler, a Legacy Heritage Fellow at the Israeli non-governmental organization NGO Monitor, responded that "Electronic Intifada is manufacturing a story."[61]

Excerpts of some of the e-mails were published in the July 2008 issue of Harper's Magazine under the title of "Candid camera."[62] In April 2008, CAMERA's "Senior Research Analyst" Gilead Ini would not confirm that the messages were genuine but maintained that there was a CAMERA email campaign which adhered to Wikipedia's rules.[63] In August 2008, Ini argued the excerpts published in Harper's Magazine were unrepresentative and that CAMERA had campaigned "toward encouraging people to learn about and edit the online encyclopedia for accuracy".[64]

A group of Wikipedia administrators strongly believed an editor on Wikipedia to be Gilead Ini and blocked that user account indefinitely.[61] In April 2008, Gilead refused to say whether he was behind the Gni account,[63] and in mid-May 2008 he denied that the account belonged to him, by which time he had deleted the Google group.[61] Andre Oboler alleged that groups such as "Wikipedians for Palestine", established in January 2006 and by then also no longer online, had engaged in similar practices.[61] Electronic Intifada co-founder Ali Abunimah insisted that his group would never encourage a similar e-mail campaign.[65]

Commenting on the incident, Gershom Gorenberg, of the liberal magazine The American Prospect, stated "CAMERA is ready to exempt itself from the demands for accuracy that it aims at the media. And like others engaged in the narrative wars, it does not understand the difference between advocacy and accuracy." Gorenberg criticized CAMERA for telling members not to share information about the campaign with media, and he also argued Ini's definition of accuracy "only means not printing anything embarrassing to his own side".[45] David Shamah, of The Jerusalem Post, stated that "the vast anti-Israel lobby that haters of our country have managed to pull together" hate it when groups like CAMERA mess up "their anti-Israel propaganda with (gasp!) facts".[66]

Five editors involved in the campaign were sanctioned by Wikipedia administrators, who wrote that Wikipedia's open nature "is fundamentally incompatible with the creation of a private group to surreptitiously coordinate editing".[60][67][59]

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Not trying to weaponize rape. Never said that, not even close.

But that is exactly what everyone can see you are doing.

Basically we can all assume you've reported the post to the mods to decide on and if I don't hear from them I'll conclude that they listened to your faux outrage and concluded that you're either
a) too stupid to comprehend a post or
b) a lowlife that is willing to weaponize rape in order for some internet points.

I'll wait to hear from them. Or not.

But shame on you for deliberately weaponizing and mimimizing rape.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

From Wikipedia. Camera.org is an awful organization.

That couldn't possibly be true. This poster has stated clearly that he doesn't like it when others....

Originally Posted by Fl4me5

use fringe examples to build your narrative

[jayswin]

Wow, camera.org used in a serious manner on here is absolutely hilarious.

[Zary's-Mustache]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tim...-detainee/amp/

So there is actual video of the sexual assault and rape of Palestinan prisoners and absolute silence by the posters in here who screamed rape while defending Israel's genocide.

An Israeli news channel released the disturbing video.

Silence.

Scooterbooter was yelling rape every post but hasn't commented yet. Rape is bad on both sides yet the pro-Israeli posters haven't said a word. Disgusting.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Bagor

But that is exactly what everyone can see you are doing.

Basically we can all assume you've reported the post to the mods to decide on and if I don't hear from them I'll conclude that they listened to your faux outrage and concluded that you're either
a) too stupid to comprehend a post or
b) a lowlife that is willing to weaponize rape in order for some internet points.

I'll wait to hear from them. Or not.

But shame on you for deliberately weaponizing and mimimizing rape.

You can shame me all you want. Not minimizing or weaponizing anything. Just pointing out a disgusting statement. Oilfield course you could just try explaining yourself. You have had 20 opportunities to do that….

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

You can shame me all you want. Not minimizing or weaponizing anything. Just pointing out a disgusting statement. Oilfield course you could just try explaining yourself. You have had 20 opportunities to do that….

It was already explained to you and was obvious that he was paraphrasing the Israeli government, not sharing his own view, so I’m not sure why you’re pretending otherwise.

Care to explain why you even had to ask why rape would be upsetting to someone and then accused them of wanting it?

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

You can shame me all you want. Not minimizing or weaponizing anything. Just pointing out a disgusting statement. Oilfield course you could just try explaining yourself. You have had 20 opportunities to do that….

You continue to embarrass yourself.

Originally Posted by Bagor

Basically we can all assume you've reported the post to the mods to decide on and if I don't hear from them I'll conclude that they listened to your faux outrage and concluded that you're either
a) too stupid to comprehend a post or
b) a lowlife that is willing to weaponize rape in order for some internet points.

I'll wait to hear from them. Or not.

But shame on you for deliberately weaponizing and mimimizing rape.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tim...-detainee/amp/

So there is actual video of the sexual assault and rape of Palestinan prisoners and absolute silence by the posters in here who screamed rape while defending Israel's genocide.

An Israeli news channel released the disturbing video.

Silence.

Scooterbooter was yelling rape every post but hasn't commented yet. Rape is bad on both sides yet the pro-Israeli posters haven't said a word. Disgusting.

Lol....do you make some large declaration every time Hamas gets caught abusing international law.

Also, an "actual video of":

Asked about a video aired by Israel’s Channel 12 news purporting to show soldiers at the Sde Teiman facility taking a detainee out of sight of surveillance cameras to carry out abuses and about broader allegations of abuses against prisoners, Miller said US officials had reviewed the video.

It seems like a far stretch to label a video showing a detainee being taken out of site of a camera as a video of actual rape.

You're clearly trying to lessen the impact of or deny that Hamas raped and mutilated Israeli women and dragged their corpses through the streets.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by blankall

It seems like a far stretch to label a video showing a detainee being taken out of site of a camera as a video of actual rape.

You're clearly trying to lessen the impact of or deny that Hamas raped and mutilated Israeli women and dragged their corpses through the streets.

You seem defensive.
What exactly is it that you are trying to do?
Deny the rapes?
Or lessen the impact of them?

Because BOTH instances happened and are repulsive and disgusting.

Agreed?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by blankall

Lol....do you make some large declaration every time Hamas gets caught abusing international law.

Also, an "actual video of":



It seems like a far stretch to label a video showing a detainee being taken out of site of a camera as a video of actual rape.

You're clearly trying to lessen the impact of or deny that Hamas raped and mutilated Israeli women and dragged their corpses through the streets.

Did you just accuse someone of lessening the impact/denying rape in the same post where you lessened the impact/denied rape?

Super weird.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Did you just accuse someone of lessening the impact/denying rape in the same post where you lessened the impact/denied rape?

Super weird.

That was straight up bizarre.