Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan

I agree. And I kind of maintain my view that if the LPC can cast this election as a “choice” between an incumbent most people don’t like very much and a challenger who is not aligned with their values, they still could win the election even with Trudeau at the helm. To the extent the election becomes a “referendum” on Trudeau, he’s in deep trouble. He’s unpopular and honestly I think even Liberals are a bit tired of him.

I have usually voted Liberal in the past, when I have actually voted, but I am tired of him. I don't think I can bring myself to vote for him again at this point. In general, I think it's time for a change. One party in power for too long isn't a good thing in general. I really think there is benefit to switching it up to bring some balance back. The Liberals had their turn, now I want to see someone else get a turn.

It's too bad that I can't get behind PP and the NDP doesn't do it for me either, even if I don't mind their leader as much. In all honestly, I haven't voted in a federal election since Trudeau won the first time, and I likely won't again. I know, I am a terrible person.

[timun]

Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan

I agree. And I kind of maintain my view that if the LPC can cast this election as a “choice” between an incumbent most people don’t like very much and a challenger who is not aligned with their values, they still could win the election even with Trudeau at the helm. To the extent the election becomes a “referendum” on Trudeau, he’s in deep trouble. He’s unpopular and honestly I think even Liberals are a bit tired of him.

The ace up the Liberals' sleeve is that they still have a much more effective vote than the Conservatives do. The Conservatives have had a plurality of the votes in both the last election in 2021 and the one in 2019, and still haven't managed to form government. The problem with the conservative vote is they win big out west, but can't squeak out the wins they need in the east. In 2021 the Liberals won nine ridings (in Ontario, Quebec and New Brunswick) out of 160 with 60+% of the vote; the Conservatives won 23 (all in Alberta and Saskatchewan, and one in BC) out of their 119 seats with 60+%.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I have usually voted Liberal in the past, when I have actually voted, but I am tired of him. I don't think I can bring myself to vote for him again at this point. In general, I think it's time for a change. One party in power for too long isn't a good thing in general. I really think there is benefit to switching it up to bring some balance back. The Liberals had their turn, now I want to see someone else get a turn.

It's too bad that I can't get behind PP and the NDP doesn't do it for me either, even if I don't mind their leader as much. In all honestly, I haven't voted in a federal election since Trudeau won the first time, and I likely won't again. I know, I am a terrible person.

If the election was now, I'd be a spoiled ballet.
Pathetic choices leading our country.

[Azure]

At least six current superior court justices may have paid to meet with the prime minister or the deputy prime minister at Liberal Party fundraisers shortly before being appointed.

These findings come in the wake of an earlier analysis by the National Post and the Investigative Journalism Foundation (IJF), which found that over three times as many Liberal party donors have been appointed to judicial office than Conservative donors since 2016.

The IJF and the Post matched the names and cities of federally appointed judges from the government’s Orders in Council database against fundraiser attendance lists from Elections Canada’s Regulated Fundraising Events Registry (covering 2019 to the present) and historical event records posted on the Liberal party’s website. All federal fundraisers with tickets over $200 and featuring a party leader, cabinet minister, or leadership contestant must be reported to Elections Canada.

https://nationalpost.com/news/politi...e-appointments

Not that Liberal supporters care, amirite.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I have usually voted Liberal in the past, when I have actually voted, but I am tired of him. I don't think I can bring myself to vote for him again at this point. In general, I think it's time for a change. One party in power for too long isn't a good thing in general. I really think there is benefit to switching it up to bring some balance back. The Liberals had their turn, now I want to see someone else get a turn.

It's too bad that I can't get behind PP and the NDP doesn't do it for me either, even if I don't mind their leader as much. In all honestly, I haven't voted in a federal election since Trudeau won the first time, and I likely won't again. I know, I am a terrible person.

But what about your MP? Because that is who you are ACTUALLY voting for....

I have a horrendous Conservative MP in our region, and even though I think Trudeau is not the right leader for our Country anymore, I am hoping we get some legit competition from the Liberal party for the current conservative turd in our region, because we need some new representation. It won't take much for me to vote Liberal in the next federal election, depending in the candidate, even if that means a Liberal majority government for Canada (haha fat chance any riding in the west does anything but Conservative, I know!).

[Ozy_Flame]

I'm excited to be in the GTA for the next one. This is going to be a battleground and could make a significant dent in the results. That said, I have yet to see any effort from the CPC to knock urban Toronto off it's liberal base. I don't notice any "rah rah PP" sentiment here. If I had to guess I think GTA voters are waiting for how the feds will help Olivia Chow with municipal problems and if Trudeau moves on.

[Red Slinger]

Originally Posted by Azure

https://nationalpost.com/news/politi...e-appointments

Not that Liberal supporters care, amirite.

Pretty gross, if true.

And just to be clear, I have voted Liberal in the past. I've also voted Conservative and NDP. A person can dislike Pierre and the current iteration of alt-righters that have taken over the Conservative Party while still not supporting the Federal Liberals. Not everything is binary and you don't have to frame the discussion in a "you're either with us or you're against us" kind of way. It's a sure-fire way to initiate partisan arguments instead of rational, healthy debate.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

I'm excited to be in the GTA for the next one. This is going to be a battleground and could make a significant dent in the results. That said, I have yet to see any effort from the CPC to knock urban Toronto off it's liberal base. I don't notice any "rah rah PP" sentiment here. If I had to guess I think GTA voters are waiting for how the feds will help Olivia Chow with municipal problems and if Trudeau moves on.

Strange take, as usual.

Canadians have almost always voted parties out rather than voting parties in.

There is not going to be any 'rah rah PP' sentiment. In fact I would argue PP was kind of dying off after his initial push, and the only reason the Conservatives are even in the lead is but you have a bunch of dogturds running the country.

The Liberals could easily win the election if they would kick Freeland and Trudeau to the curb. Along with their entire useless cabinet.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Red Slinger

Pretty gross, if true.

And just to be clear, I have voted Liberal in the past. I've also voted Conservative and NDP. A person can dislike Pierre and the current iteration of alt-righters that have taken over the Conservative Party while still not supporting the Federal Liberals. Not everything is binary and you don't have to frame the discussion in a "you're either with us or you're against us" kind of way. It's a sure-fire way to initiate partisan arguments instead of rational, healthy debate.

Nah.

After years of outright corruption and our country dealing with multiple foundational problems, I would say it is literally as simple as 'Trudeau is gone or you are against us', and by us I mean Canadians who are dealing with the fallout of all this stupidity. I personally don't care if the Liberals win the next election as long as Trudeau, his cabinet and his policies are gone.

We are dealing with a government that has become stale and pathetic, and cares little about the needs of the people, and they need to go.

[Ozy_Flame]

"Strange take, as usual."

The height of discussion decorum, as usual. Right here folks.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by Azure

https://nationalpost.com/news/politi...e-appointments

Not that Liberal supporters care, amirite.

This is not a Liberal-exclusive practice. Political appointments are dime a dozen, even in the judiciary (look at Alberta judge appointments since UCP came into power as an example).

It is definitely unfortunate practice, but i would take judicial appointments over judicial elections any day.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

But what about your MP? Because that is who you are ACTUALLY voting for....

I have a horrendous Conservative MP in our region, and even though I think Trudeau is not the right leader for our Country anymore, I am hoping we get some legit competition from the Liberal party for the current conservative turd in our region, because we need some new representation. It won't take much for me to vote Liberal in the next federal election, depending in the candidate, even if that means a Liberal majority government for Canada (haha fat chance any riding in the west does anything but Conservative, I know!).

That is a good point. I voted for the Conservatives and NDP in the past provincially because I like the MPPs at the time. I happened to know them both personally. I just moved to a new riding, so I don't know anything about the ones where I am now, I guess it is up to me to find.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Azure

https://nationalpost.com/news/politi...e-appointments

Not that Liberal supporters care, amirite.

https://www.lawtimesnews.com/news/ge...-judges/259660

The federal government appointed 11 judges to the Ontario Superior Court last year who had recently made donations to the governing Conservative party, an analysis of Elections Canada data reveals.

It is getting better at least, only 6 nationwide under the Liberals. Under the Conservatives it is a total pay to play approach to judicial appointments. That was just one province for PP and Harper and just one year. It was grotesque back then but slowly getting better.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Cappy

This is not a Liberal-exclusive practice. Political appointments are dime a dozen, even in the judiciary (look at Alberta judge appointments since UCP came into power as an example).

It is definitely unfortunate practice, but i would take judicial appointments over judicial elections any day.

It’s a classic example of people not being aware of long standing practices(even if they are arguably poor practices) and trying to manipulate people into believing it’s a new partisan issue.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

What do the Trudeaus and covid have in common?

NSFW!

The second wave is worse than the first.

He does know that we actually have to pay back the debt, right?

Way more costly now that interest rates are up.

It’s now costing Canadians 4.58 million dollars to service our debt.

That not per month, that’s not per day.

That’s PER HOUR.

How are we going to spend our way out of this one? We either have to raise taxes or cut services (or both). Boy, I can’t wait for a tax increase, less money for families already dealing with huge cost increases due to government spending.

Some I posted this, it has cost Canadian taxpayers over $9 Billion dollars just to service out debt.

Money out the window.

Heck, for a government as corrupt as the current Libs, the could have grifted that money to so many of their cronies everyone would be singing WE WE WE all the way home.

Well some of fellas without children probably don’t care. It’s only you and your wife / husband/ significant other that you have to worry about.

For my family, that’s almost $1200 on a per person basis. Just to pay interest. Un fricking real. Just over these past few weeks.

[Fuzz]

Context:

Reflecting the increase in interest rates over the last year, public debt charges
have risen and are projected to be $43.9 billion for 2023-24, representing
1.6 per cent of GDP (Chart A2.1). Over the forecast horizon, public debt charges
are projected to remain steady as a share of GDP, at 1.5 per cent of GDP
($50.3 billion) by 2027-28. This level is substantially lower than the average cost
of financing debt over the last two decades, even with a significantly higher
public debt because of COVID-19. Debt charges are projected to represent
approximately 9.3 per cent of total government revenue by 2027-28, similar to
the level in 2013-14.

https://www.budget.canada.ca/2023/pd...et-2023-en.pdf


In short, this isn't new.

[Azure]

I think the bigger problem is that the government is wasting billions without getting a good return on the money being spent. Sure our debt to GDP is low, but you still want to make smart decisions on where the money is being spent so that it results in higher GDP growth down the road.

[Fuzz]

That's a fair enough criticism. The feds definitely seem to have waste they could reign in. I'm not at all convinced we collect enough taxes to get what Canadians want, but that's the other side of the ledger.

[Azure]

As the argument goes, its easier to make money than save money.

The way a government makes more money is in proper tax collection & investment to spur GDP growth. Spending seems out of control for sure, so it can be reigned in, but more importantly is to simply get more bang for our taxpayer buck.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

That's a fair enough criticism. The feds definitely seem to have waste they could reign in. I'm not at all convinced we collect enough taxes to get what Canadians want, but that's the other side of the ledger.

I’m not convinced there is an appetite for tax increases right now. With more people living paycheque to paycheque, and cost of living as high as it is.

Taxing more so the government can spend doesn’t make sense to me at this time.