2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

There is just no reason for Buffalo to do that.

Well if Eichel demands a trade that’s part of it.

Monahan isn’t elite but I think we’ve seen him play so long that his flaws start to outweigh his strengths and we underrate him. Brodie was the same thing by the end.

It all comes down to what Buffalo wants to do, and if they want to keep trying to put a competitive team on the ice or go full rebuild. If they don’t want to rebuild completely then I think Monahan is probably the best C that’s available to them.

Another angle they could look at is:

Monahan, Rittich, Bennett, 1st 2021, 3rd 2021, Poirier

For

Eichel, Hutton

Gives them a look at Rittich to see if he can be an answer in goal that they desperately need. And that would be my offer from the Flames, Buffalo likely counters with replacing Poirier with one of Zary or Pelletier. And honestly I'd probably still do that. Eichel + Gaudreau really has electric potential.

Originally Posted by David Struch

I wonder if people realize the Flames adding Sam Bennett to their offer is just like the Canucks adding Jake Virtanen to their offer?

Personally he's just included in mine because he's a cap dump that might have some value as a change of scenary candidate.

There will need to be some guys like that in an Eichel trade because tough to take on $10M of salary without moving a guy like that.

[Enoch Root]

So you're the Buffalo GM... is Bennett and a couple picks enough to convince you to downgrade from Eichel to Monahan?

And throwing Rittich and Poirier in does not change anything

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

So you're the Buffalo GM... is Bennett and a couple picks enough to convince you to downgrade from Eichel to Monahan?

And throwing Rittich and Poirier in does not change anything

I'm probably asking for Zary instead of Poirier if I'm the Buffalo GM.

Monahan, Zary, Bennett, Rittich, 1st, 3rd

for

Eichel, Hutton

Then the question is if that's better or comparable to what NYR or LAK could offer.

Honestly I'm taking that package if it includes Zary and Monahan over a package that is built around Turcotte or Kakko. Turcotte or Kakko were more heralded picks but IMO they are similar level of prospects to Zary at this point since neither Kakko or Turcotte has been out of their mind production wise since being drafted high.

But if I'm Brad Treliving I'm not sure I'd want to do Monahan + Zary + 1st. That starts to feel like too much then and I'd probably want to downgrade the 1st to a 2nd. If Turcotte is good enough to be the centerpiece from the Kings then that starts to feel like too much to me.

Not that much separates Zary and Turcotte as players. Limited time but Zary is younger and has actually been better at the AHL level than Turcotte has this year.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Back to the fun topic of Eichel vs Monahan. Not a lot separates their production at 5v5.

Eichel ($10 x 5.5 left)

162 GP, 34 Goals, 87 points

Monahan ($6.4 x 2.5 left)

168 GP, 32 Goals, 82 points

Honestly Monahan, Bennett, 1st, 3rd probably shouldn’t be that far off as a starting point with another little sweetener needed on Calgary’s side.

Trades aren't necessarily about what's "fair." It's about market value and based on how much demand their was for PLD, I can only imagine how many teams would be interested in an elite franchise center like Jack Eichel. The Flames would have to beat out every other offer and a Monahan, Bennett, 1st, 3rd would probably be the worst offer they would receive. The years of team control isn't any good either, Monahan has 2 years left after this season, I think Bennett might be 1 year away from UFA status after this season. Like the value just isn't there for 5 years of Jack freakin' Eichel.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Trades aren't necessarily about what's "fair." It's about market value and based on how much demand their was for PLD, I can only imagine how many teams would be interested in an elite franchise center like Jack Eichel. The Flames would have to beat out every other offer and a Monahan, Bennett, 1st, 3rd would probably be the worst offer they would receive. The years of team control isn't any good either, Monahan has 2 years left after this season, I think Bennett might be 1 year away from UFA status after this season. Like the value just isn't there for 5 years of Jack freakin' Eichel.

I think we just underrate Monahan because he's played here for 8 years now and he didn't become what we hoped he would be, but he's still a good top 40 or so center in the league.

Monahan is less valuable than Laine but it's pretty close. Laine isn't exactly a great 200ft player either, and is probably worse defensively than Monahan, but he's an elite goal scorer.

Roslovic has been great since the trade but at time of the deal he's similar value to Bennett. Both were disgruntled first round picks that hadn't broken out and Roslovic was actively holding out.

Plus you're getting a 1st and a 3rd on top of that

Honestly the value there isn't far off from what Seguin (Eriksson, Smith, Morrow), Duchene (Turris, Bowers, 1st, 3rd), or PLD (Laine+Roslovic) were able to fetch in return on a trade. It's a bit of a hybrid of the return from those three deals.

[jaginla]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I think we just underrate Monahan because he's played here for 8 years now and he didn't become what we hoped he would be, but he's still a good top 40 or so center in the league.

Monahan is less valuable than Laine but it's pretty close. Laine isn't exactly a great 200ft player either, and is probably worse defensively than Monahan, but he's an elite goal scorer.

Roslovic has been great since the trade but at time of the deal he's similar value to Bennett. Both were disgruntled first round picks that hadn't broken out and Roslovic was actively holding out.

Plus you're getting a 1st and a 3rd on top of that

Honestly the value there isn't far off from what Seguin (Eriksson, Smith, Morrow), Duchene (Turris, Bowers, 1st, 3rd), or PLD (Laine+Roslovic) were able to fetch in return on a trade. It's a bit of a hybrid of the return from those three deals.

That Seguin trade was a big yikes in hindsight.

[SuperMatt18]

If it’s Eichel for Monahan as the Centerpieces then it’s probably Duchene for Turris as the best proxy.

Flipping Turris again made that deal seem even better for Colorado as thats how they got Girard and another 2nd as part of the total package.

[Sylvanfan]

But Porier's picture on hockeydb looks like an oil painting. That should make his value sky rocket.

[scotty2hotty]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

But Porier's picture on hockeydb looks like an oil painting. That should make his value sky rocket.

He looks like Buddy from The Incredibles

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by jaginla

That Seguin trade was a big yikes in hindsight.

The chances are so is the Eichel trade for Buffalo

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Hells Bells

Getzlaf can surely be moved down, guy looks terrible out there.

He's not even close to 2nd tier #1 C anymore.

Fair; I didn't even look at that group of guys. Looks like I forgot Bergeron. Getzlaf is a few months older than PB, making him the oldest guy on the list (or should I say down the list).

Originally Posted by jaginla

That Seguin trade was a big yikes in hindsight.

Seguin had 67pts and then 36 in 48gp in his 2nd and 3rd years before he was traded (though he may have been somewhat buried on that roster). The potential was certainly there, but he is a much closer comp to Dubois than Eichel.

Duchene had a couple seasons close to PPG at age 22 and 23, but then 3 seasons <60pts before he was traded. He only had 1.75 years term left, too.


Some trades can be totally crazy because of the individual GMs involved (Chia...) and their irrational values of certain players.

[2macinnis2]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I'm probably asking for Zary instead of Poirier if I'm the Buffalo GM.

Monahan, Zary, Bennett, Rittich, 1st, 3rd

for

Eichel, Hutton

Then the question is if that's better or comparable to what NYR or LAK could offer.

Honestly I'm taking that package if it includes Zary and Monahan over a package that is built around Turcotte or Kakko. Turcotte or Kakko were more heralded picks but IMO they are similar level of prospects to Zary at this point since neither Kakko or Turcotte has been out of their mind production wise since being drafted high.

But if I'm Brad Treliving I'm not sure I'd want to do Monahan + Zary + 1st. That starts to feel like too much then and I'd probably want to downgrade the 1st to a 2nd. If Turcotte is good enough to be the centerpiece from the Kings then that starts to feel like too much to me.

Not that much separates Zary and Turcotte as players. Limited time but Zary is younger and has actually been better at the AHL level than Turcotte has this year.

There is literally ZERO chance Buffalo does that trade.

I think it looks more like Monahan, Tkachuk, high end prospect and a first. Even that may not be enough. May need to find a way to take back Skinner too.

Sabres are really bad but Eichel is clear cut top end center and he’s signed for forever. Buffalo probably doesn’t trade him but if they do it’s only for a ridiculous haul and a true centerpiece player IMO (that would be Tkachuk or Gaudreau from Calgary).

[kukkudo]

Probably one of the biggest flames off seasons in Flames history coming up. Now do you let Treliving handle that or bring in a new person to gut it?

[Heavy Jack]

New person... I think Treliving and ‘the process’ has proven to be painfully unfruitful.

[Monahammer]

After seeing bad effort outing after bad effort outing, I am not sure I could say I would be that sorry to see any player on our roster leave in a trade. Don't really care about any of them.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

After seeing bad effort outing after bad effort outing, I am not sure I could say I would be that sorry to see any player on our roster leave in a trade. Don't really care about any of them.

That’s a bit extreme.

The list has gotten smaller for sure but no one?

Lindholm, Gaudreau, Andersson, Valimaki, Mangiapane, Markstrom and Tanev have generally been good all season.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

If it’s Eichel for Monahan as the Centerpieces then it’s probably Duchene for Turris as the best proxy.

Flipping Turris again made that deal seem even better for Colorado as thats how they got Girard and another 2nd as part of the total package.

Tkachuk, Hanifin, and Bennett. Picks if needed to seal it. Make it happen.

[1_Flames_Fan]

Trade any or all of Tkachuk, Monahan, Gio, Backlund, Gaudreau, Nordstrom, Leivo, Simon, Bennett, Rittitch. The rest can stay for now.

[bluejays]

The only players that should be more or less protected from trade: Markstrom and Tkachuk. Everyone else should have a price. If that price is met, bring the rebuild on revolving around Markstrom on the back end. Defence there's no franchise player in any of them but very good #3's and #4's. No need to overvalue them as #1s. Same with up front. Many 2nd line plus, players.

[getoverit]

I really like Tkatchuk but i really don’t like his qualifying offer whatsoever. He brings us a big fish I’m in

Originally Posted by fleury

The only players that should be more or less protected from trade: Markstrom and Tkachuk. Everyone else should have a price. If that price is met, bring the rebuild on revolving around Markstrom on the back end. Defence there's no franchise player in any of them but very good #3's and #4's. No need to overvalue them as #1s. Same with up front. Many 2nd line plus, players.