2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by butterfly

This “cap is going up” joke has got to end.

Smart teams also know this and they aren’t saddling themselves with poor contracts. Good for Conroy for not handing any out to anyone.

Yeah, that one was getting pretty old when there were a few people that wanted to re-sign Lindholm. The cap is going up so we may as well burn a mountain of cash.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by butterfly

This “cap is going up” joke has got to end.

Smart teams also know this and they aren’t saddling themselves with poor contracts. Good for Conroy for not handing any out to anyone.

The cap going up isnt a joke. It’s just a fact. It’s going up.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

The capngoibgbupnisnt a joke. It’s just a fact. It’s going up.

True, but it's going up for everybody. Teams that spend their money wisely will still have an advantage over those that saddle themselves with dumb contracts.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

True, but it's going up for everybody. Teams that spend their money wisely will still have an advantage over those that saddle themselves with dumb contracts.

But that’s not the point I made was it? The point is that even the “dumb contracts” are mitigated to some extent. Contracts as a percentage of cap has always been what to look at, and not just dollar amount. In 4-5 years 10.5 might look like 7 does now. Big but not insurmountable. A single “bad” contract won’t kill any team. Good teams have them now.

The trade discussed is so desperate when the situation isn’t that bad.

[1qqaaz]

Yes, dumb contracts are mitigated to some extent. But overall, the effects of Father Time have a greater impact than does the increase in cap.

Term is often the killer more so that AAV. Montour's cap hit of 7.142 mill may not seem that bad. But he's 30 years old and that contract goes to 2032. That's pretty scary.

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by Shazam

We need a year round season.

The horror!

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

True, but it's going up for everybody. Teams that spend their money wisely will still have an advantage over those that saddle themselves with dumb contracts.

Will they?

Not sure, contenders will ever spend wisely,

They will be aggressive and likely have very little cap room

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Yes, dumb contracts are mitigated to some extent. But overall, the effects of Father Time have a greater impact than does the increase in cap.

Term is often the killer more so that AAV. Montour's cap hit of 7.142 mill may not seem that bad. But he's 30 years old and that contract goes to 2032. That's pretty scary.

The point is that with the cap going up a team might not need to make a bad trade to get rid of a single contract. Especially when you have no idea how bad or insignificant the impact will be in 5 years.

[Saqe]

The cap growth is generally over exaggerated. Huby's contract won't be 12% of the cap five years from now but it will still be probably 10%, a huge contract a big part of any teams' cap.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by butterfly

This “cap is going up” joke has got to end.

Smart teams also know this and they aren’t saddling themselves with poor contracts. Good for Conroy for not handing any out to anyone.

The cap has also almost been flat for 6 years or so, mainly due to Covid. Doubt that situation happens again any time soon.

Also, with the 12/13 lockout, the cap hasn't really increased that much for about 12 years. That is going to change and the impact on current long-term contracts is significant. Problem is it's been so many years of small increases that I don't think people are getting it.

Also, decline of a player isn't always consistent either. Mark Giordano is a prime example of a player who signed a very risky deal, the deal looked awful early and then was a steal in the last half of the deal. The Flames could have traded him for a boat load by year 5 of that deal.

There are a few teams out there to watch when it comes to having a bunch of guys signed for years and some are older team too. How much will the cap increases help them?

Nashville
Tampa
Boston (Marchand at his age likely signs for similar money)

Boston is a was great last year, but the other 2 are borderline playoff teams. All 3 have many players signed but these players are all aging players. None of these teams are loaded with prospects and should not pick high in the draft but likely do not have contracts that will escalate due to rising cap and the top players on long term deals. In theory these teams should plummet down the standings when you look at the age of all their players. I bet they don't, and they are 3 teams that probably get the biggest gains due to fast rising caps.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Redrum

Yeah, that one was getting pretty old when there were a few people that wanted to re-sign Lindholm. The cap is going up so we may as well burn a mountain of cash.

Kind of like the Bruins did? Usually, a pretty well-run organization invested close to what the Flames were rumored to be offering.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

The cap has also almost been flat for 6 years or so, mainly due to Covid. Doubt that situation happens again any time soon.

Also, with the 12/13 lockout, the cap hasn't really increased that much for about 12 years. That is going to change and the impact on current long-term contracts is significant. Problem is it's been so many years of small increases that I don't think people are getting it.

Also, decline of a player isn't always consistent either. Mark Giordano is a prime example of a player who signed a very risky deal, the deal looked awful early and then was a steal in the last half of the deal. The Flames could have traded him for a boat load by year 5 of that deal.

IIRC the Gio deal was throught to be quite good value when he signed (there was "Wizard" talk). And people thought, if anything, he was undervalue at the beginning and were willing to overpay at the end.

But, yeah overall the cap is going to make some contracts look more palatable. A couple years ago people were in general agreement that kadri's $7M was a big impediment. Now it's close to looking like a value deal.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

IIRC the Gio deal was throught to be quite good value when he signed (there was "Wizard" talk). And people thought, if anything, he was undervalue at the beginning and were willing to overpay at the end.

But, yeah overall the cap is going to make some contracts look more palatable. A couple years ago people were in general agreement that kadri's $7M was a big impediment. Now it's close to looking like a value deal.

Maybe by some of the Gio contract. Many said it would be good for a while but horrible near the end. Near the end might have been when it was at its best value. Not many were saying that when Gio had back-to-back 35–40-point seasons. It was year 5 when he won the Norris, that was when it was supposed to be bad.

The point is the opinion of most seems to go up and down season by season on these deals.

[Monahammer]

Detroit could be interested in Andersson or Weegar.

Petry + Kasper + 1st 2025 for one of them would be an interesting trade imo.

[cral12]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Detroit could be interested in Andersson or Weegar.

Petry + Kasper + 1st 2025 for one of them would be an interesting trade imo.

this is quite a sensible and reasonable, well thought out trade potential

[Tbull8]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Detroit could be interested in Andersson or Weegar.

Petry + Kasper + 1st 2025 for one of them would be an interesting trade imo.

I would do that for Ras, not for Weegar

[Royle9]

Apparently MTL is trying to acquire McGroarty from WPG.

Mesar
Baron or Harris
early pick

Rejected by WPG is the rumor, but I feel like that's a fair offer?

Mesar has had a weird falling out in MTL after a very lackluster season.
Instead of taking some personal responsibility he came out in the media and blamed his teammates instead. He then most recently turned down Kent Hughes offer and suggestion he attend development camp this year.

[Tbull8]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Apparently MTL is trying to acquire McGroarty from WPG.

Mesar
Baron or Harris
early pick

Rejected by WPG is the rumor, but I feel like that's a fair offer?

Mesar has had a weird falling out in MTL after a very lackluster season.
Instead of taking some personal responsibility he came out in the media and blamed his teammates instead. He then most recently turned down Kent Hughes offer and suggestion he attend development camp this year.

If that pick is Floridas that seems like a pretty fair deal. Thats a great return for Winnipeg, but Mtl gets the best player

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Detroit could be interested in Andersson or Weegar.

Petry + Kasper + 1st 2025 for one of them would be an interesting trade imo.

And there are so many good teams in the east that it is no guarantee that they make the playoffs, so 2025 1sts are more attractive than typical late 1sts in these types of trades. Very possible that DET's pick could be in the 12-16 range. And unlikely to be any worse than maybe 20th.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Apparently MTL is trying to acquire McGroarty from WPG.

Mesar
Baron or Harris
early pick

Rejected by WPG is the rumor, but I feel like that's a fair offer?

Mesar has had a weird falling out in MTL after a very lackluster season.
Instead of taking some personal responsibility he came out in the media and blamed his teammates instead. He then most recently turned down Kent Hughes offer and suggestion he attend development camp this year.

If that is true, I'd stay away from Mesar. Sounds like he has a bad attitude. Development camp should be an honour and viewed as an opportunity for a 20 year old with no NHL experience.

Unless he has some life kind of stuff in Slovakia that he needs to deal with, he should be jumping at it.

Then again, if what they say about McGroarty is true, I'd stay away from him too. Even if he is NHL ready, if you promise an NHL roster spot to a player, you are just opening a can of worms for future prospects.