2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Bingo Jr.

I'll never hope for a Ras trade, he likes it here and has captain material. And our blueline is pretty abysmal as it stands.

If he asks for a trade or someone blows our socks of with a package so be it, but it would be a tough day to lose the guy.

NHL D-men also learn a great deal via experience and mentoring. Our blueline is so thin right now taking away Weegar and Andersson would lead to a situation where it's just kids with no one to learn from. Until some of the young d-men take a step forward and show that they are legit NHL D-man, the Flames shouldn't move either Weegar or Andersson unless the deal is absolutely insane.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Bingo Jr.

I'll never hope for a Ras trade, he likes it here and has captain material. And our blueline is pretty abysmal as it stands.

If he asks for a trade or someone blows our socks of with a package so be it, but it would be a tough day to lose the guy.

I was for keeping him… until you see our RHD prospect depth.

Parekh
Brzustewicz
Mews

Yeah, time to move on, in my opinion. Need to sell him high while his cap hit is low. And, with the extra year on his deal that would give us an even better return.

[Niemo]

Making this up due to boredom:

To MTL:
Rasmus Andersson
Jonathan Huberdeau
Jakob Pelletier

To CGY:
CGY's Conditional 1st 2025
Josh Anderson
Brendan Gallagher

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Niemo

Making this up due to boredom:

To MTL:
Rasmus Andersson
Jonathan Huberdeau
Jakob Pelletier

To CGY:
CGY's Conditional 1st 2025
Josh Anderson
Brendan Gallagher

The real money spend is probably too much to ever make it reality.

But I would do it.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Niemo

Making this up due to boredom:

To MTL:
Rasmus Andersson
Jonathan Huberdeau
Jakob Pelletier

To CGY:
CGY's Conditional 1st 2025
Josh Anderson
Brendan Gallagher

Gross. Giving up two good assets and a guy who's not really a problem - just costs money that they presently have - for a middling first and two 30+ cap dumps.

Anderson is $5.5M and Gallagher is $6.5M and combined they had 51 points last year. Huberdeau outscored them for 1.5M fewer dollars and one less roster spot.

Andersson by himself should get you the first.

[Niemo]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Gross. Giving up two good assets and a guy who's not really a problem - just costs money that they presently have - for a middling first and two 30+ cap dumps.

Anderson is $5.5M and Gallagher is $6.5M and combined they had 51 points last year. Huberdeau outscored them for 1.5M fewer dollars and one less roster spot.

Andersson by himself should get you the first.

I wouldn't call Pelletier a good asset to be honest. He might be worth a 3rd today.

Andersson and Gallagher each have 3 more years...total 36MM and their contracts can be bought out if we wanted to save a few dollars after 1-2 years.

Huberdeau has 7 years left at 73.5MM....and his contract is buy out proof. I'd argue that we don't need the $$$ and cap space in the next 3 years, but it starts getting valuable after 4 years and having Huberdeau at 10.5MM hurts.

Rasmus is worth more than the Conditional 1st, I agree.

[Royle9]

Still very quiet, the sense is the Flames are pretty content where they are currently but open to acquiring young assets with big upside via trade if one becomes available.

The only name I'm told the Flames inquired on was Kakko.
NYR don't seem overly interested in moving, price is steep (1st+ right now) but that could change as we get closer to the end of summer.

The biggest worst kept secret is the rumor of offer sheets and its going to be a real thing from all accounts. Lots of teams are looking to capitalize on cap strapped teams with bigger names to sign, what was once frowned upon sounds like no longer will be a concern for a number of teams.
This should start happening real soon with arbitration cases coming shortly. Almost its own "deadline frenzy" to be expected.

On Laine - Still wants to be traded, though Columbus is still trying to maximize value. As of right now teams are comparing it to the Kuznetsov dump where I think WSH got a 3rd and had to retain 50% to move him. Yes Laine is younger (26) vs 31 when Kuznetsov was moved but the biggest concern for most teams is the fact that he's still in the NHLPA player assistance program and there's no certainty when he'll be released from that.

Doesn't see a scenario where a team takes the full salary, almost certainly will need a 50% retention. The return is what's holding it up, belief is Columbus is currently wanting a 1st round pick which seems highly unrealistic.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Niemo

I wouldn't call Pelletier a good asset to be honest. He might be worth a 3rd today.

Andersson and Gallagher each have 3 more years...total 36MM and their contracts can be bought out if we wanted to save a few dollars after 1-2 years.

Huberdeau has 7 years left at 73.5MM....and his contract is buy out proof. I'd argue that we don't need the $$$ and cap space in the next 3 years, but it starts getting valuable after 4 years and having Huberdeau at 10.5MM hurts.

Rasmus is worth more than the Conditional 1st, I agree.

Meh. Huberdeau's $10.5M becomes less and less relevant and more and more buyout capable as time goes on, the cap goes up etc. Plus you'd be taking on someone who's a proven lazy ass player and a problem in Anderson. Gallagher is a team guy but he's going to be a drag as well. And they are both RW when you need room for the kids. At least Huberdeau seems to be well liked, tries hard, and has some things to show the young players.

[puckedoff]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

I was for keeping him… until you see our RHD prospect depth.

Parekh
Brzustewicz
Mews

Yeah, time to move on, in my opinion. Need to sell him high while his cap hit is low. And, with the extra year on his deal that would give us an even better return.

These guys are like 2-3 years away and likely at least one never makes the jump. Not sure that is a good reason to trade away a top line D man.

[Niemo]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Meh. Huberdeau's $10.5M becomes less and less relevant and more and more buyout capable as time goes on, the cap goes up etc. Plus you'd be taking on someone who's a proven lazy ass player and a problem in Anderson. Gallagher is a team guy but he's going to be a drag as well. And they are both RW when you need room for the kids. At least Huberdeau seems to be well liked, tries hard, and has some things to show the young players.

I like Huberdeau's attitude too and think that he's been solid on the ice since 2024 started. However, his contract is buyout proof with the huge majority of it being paid in bonuses through to the end and he has a full NMC. I'd like to think that we could trade him away with 2 years left.

Either way, just spit balling. To simplify, for Rasmus, I'd like a package of:

1st Rounder
Top Prospect

We should be able to capitalize on quality over quantity with Rasmus.

[Bingo Jr.]

1st+ for Kakko is crazy stuff.

[trackercowe]

Columbus wants a 1st rounder for Laine??? Lol good luck with that. Not happening without major retention.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by trackercowe

Columbus wants a 1st rounder for Laine??? Lol good luck with that. Not happening without major retention.

I don’t think it happens even with max retention.
Damaged goods at this point.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

I can’t believe I was clamouring for the end of the season. I’m so bored already…

We need a year round season.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Still very quiet, the sense is the Flames are pretty content where they are currently but open to acquiring young assets with big upside via trade if one becomes available.

The only name I'm told the Flames inquired on was Kakko.
NYR don't seem overly interested in moving, price is steep (1st+ right now) but that could change as we get closer to the end of summer.

The biggest worst kept secret is the rumor of offer sheets and its going to be a real thing from all accounts. Lots of teams are looking to capitalize on cap strapped teams with bigger names to sign, what was once frowned upon sounds like no longer will be a concern for a number of teams.
This should start happening real soon with arbitration cases coming shortly. Almost its own "deadline frenzy" to be expected.

On Laine - Still wants to be traded, though Columbus is still trying to maximize value. As of right now teams are comparing it to the Kuznetsov dump where I think WSH got a 3rd and had to retain 50% to move him. Yes Laine is younger (26) vs 31 when Kuznetsov was moved but the biggest concern for most teams is the fact that he's still in the NHLPA player assistance program and there's no certainty when he'll be released from that.

Doesn't see a scenario where a team takes the full salary, almost certainly will need a 50% retention. The return is what's holding it up, belief is Columbus is currently wanting a 1st round pick which seems highly unrealistic.

Was Calgary one of the teams thinking about going the offer sheet route? Probably pretty hard for them since they don’t have their own first guaranteed for next year.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Still very quiet, the sense is the Flames are pretty content where they are currently but open to acquiring young assets with big upside via trade if one becomes available.

The only name I'm told the Flames inquired on was Kakko.
NYR don't seem overly interested in moving, price is steep (1st+ right now) but that could change as we get closer to the end of summer.

The biggest worst kept secret is the rumor of offer sheets and its going to be a real thing from all accounts. Lots of teams are looking to capitalize on cap strapped teams with bigger names to sign, what was once frowned upon sounds like no longer will be a concern for a number of teams.
This should start happening real soon with arbitration cases coming shortly. Almost its own "deadline frenzy" to be expected.

On Laine - Still wants to be traded, though Columbus is still trying to maximize value. As of right now teams are comparing it to the Kuznetsov dump where I think WSH got a 3rd and had to retain 50% to move him. Yes Laine is younger (26) vs 31 when Kuznetsov was moved but the biggest concern for most teams is the fact that he's still in the NHLPA player assistance program and there's no certainty when he'll be released from that.

Doesn't see a scenario where a team takes the full salary, almost certainly will need a 50% retention. The return is what's holding it up, belief is Columbus is currently wanting a 1st round pick which seems highly unrealistic.

The offer sheet stuff would be fantastic.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Meh. Huberdeau's $10.5M becomes less and less relevant and more and more buyout capable as time goes on, the cap goes up etc. Plus you'd be taking on someone who's a proven lazy ass player and a problem in Anderson. Gallagher is a team guy but he's going to be a drag as well. And they are both RW when you need room for the kids. At least Huberdeau seems to be well liked, tries hard, and has some things to show the young players.

Huberdeau’s contract is almost buyout proof. If he was bought out in 4 years with 3 years left the cap hit in the first 3 years of the contract would be

8.11 million
10.61 million (more than the cap if he played that year)
6.61 million.

When you add on the cost of the salary for the player that replaces him in that scenario it could cost the flames more in cap space to buy him out than to play him (putting aside the 1.11 million cap hit for the 3 following years).

If there was a deal that somehow got you out now without giving up a boatload of picks I think the Flames would have to at least look at it.

Basically almost any year you buy him out the actual cap cost of a buyout is probably more than the cap cost to play him.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by puckedoff

These guys are like 2-3 years away and likely at least one never makes the jump. Not sure that is a good reason to trade away a top line D man.

Okay, but you’ve also got to trade Andersson when he has the cap he’s currently at. If you don’t, then yes, we will be keeping a player with a 8m cap hit and an NMC. I’m fine with that, but at the same time I want to pave the way for Brzu and Zayne if possible.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Was Calgary one of the teams thinking about going the offer sheet route? Probably pretty hard for them since they don’t have their own first guaranteed for next year.

Would be pretty dumb for them to offersheet a player needing a 1st round pick even if they did have their 1st

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Meh. Huberdeau's $10.5M becomes less and less relevant and more and more buyout capable as time goes on, the cap goes up etc. Plus you'd be taking on someone who's a proven lazy ass player and a problem in Anderson. Gallagher is a team guy but he's going to be a drag as well. And they are both RW when you need room for the kids. At least Huberdeau seems to be well liked, tries hard, and has some things to show the young players.

This “cap is going up” joke has got to end.

Smart teams also know this and they aren’t saddling themselves with poor contracts. Good for Conroy for not handing any out to anyone.