Democratic Presidential Primaries 2008

[HotHotHeat]

With the way the media is spinning her 'victory' this morning, it seems clear they are more concerned with keeping this circus alive then anything. Why again is Clinton's 49% to 51% win such a big deal? Isn't Obama winning a state by 14 points which has 50 more delegates the more important story?

[Nehkara]

Delegate update!

Total Delegates:

Clinton 1681
Obama 1836 (155 ahead)


Pledged Delegates:

Clinton 1415
Obama 1584 (169 ahead)


Superdelegates:

Clinton 266 (14 ahead)
Obama 252


If Obama's lead wasn't big before, it is now.

[Phaneuf3]

Ding dong the witch is dead!

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by Dan02

I don't think Obama will touch her with a 30 foot poll.

He may have no choice. It occurred to me last night that her only remaining strategy is to ensure that Obama can't win the nomination except in an ugly brokered convention. So in order to get the VP slot she may decide to play chicken until he agrees that the graceful way to end this is to bring her onto the ticket. If he doesn't, the campaign drags on for another month, weakening his candidacy further before the general election in the fall.

[Vulcan]

I think it's a long shot but I think Hillary's only chance is to continue to hold Obama's feet to the fire, hoping some dirty laundry comes down the chute. It's happened before [Gary Hart] and that's what the Super delegates are for.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan

He may have no choice. It occurred to me last night that her only remaining strategy is to ensure that Obama can't win the nomination except in an ugly brokered convention. So in order to get the VP slot she may decide to play chicken until he agrees that the graceful way to end this is to bring her onto the ticket. If he doesn't, the campaign drags on for another month, weakening his candidacy further before the general election in the fall.

Well if she indeed does get the VP slot....I fully expect Obama to croak 6 months into his term.

[troutman]

I don't think Clinton wants to be VP for Obama. She would rather see Obama fail vs. McCain, and run again in 2012.

[ernie]

Originally Posted by troutman

I don't think Clinton wants to be VP for Obama. She would rather see Obama fail vs. McCain, and run again in 2012.

Yep. She's a Clinton. She is very much in it for her and only her. She doesn't care if she rips her party to shreds in the process.

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by Azure

Well if she indeed does get the VP slot....I fully expect Obama to croak 6 months into his term.

Yeah, it's one way of getting to the White House. I believe it's called "pulling an LBJ."

[troutman]

McGovern tells Clinton to quit:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

Former Sen. George McGovern urged Hillary Clinton Wednesday to drop out of the Democratic presidential race.
McGovern, who had endorsed Clinton, told CNN he was switching his support to endorse Barack Obama.

“It certainly was not out of any less respect for Senator Clinton,” McGovern told CNN in a telephone interview early Wednesday afternoon about his decision to switch his support to Barack Obama. “I think she has waged a really courageous and valiant campaign. She will have my affection and admiration for all of my days.

“But I think mathematically the race is all but won by Barack Obama and the time has come for all of us to unite and get ready for the general election in the fall.”

McGovern is not a Democratic superdelegate, though he is the first major Clinton supporter to publicly suggest the New York senator should abandon her presidential bid following Tuesday night's results.

Delegate Calculator:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/...ter/index.html

[Calgaryborn]

Clinton is a woman scorned. She has invested years of her life and a lot of money into being the first female president of the United States and has had her party and the media turn their back on her. Only she knows how many promises were made to her and then broken by her peers in the Democratic party. Obama doesn't offer anything significantly different to Hilliary as far as campaign promises go. He is just winning because he gives a better speech, looks shiny and is black.

Yes I think Hilliary is hoping for something to come out that will prove Obama unelectable. But I also think that Hilliary isn't the type of women you tell to sit down and be quiet and let this man lead. Why should she take one for the good of the party when her party has betrayed her?

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Why should she take one for the good of the party when her party has betrayed her?

The party doesn't owe her (or anyone). The party belongs to the people.

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by troutman

The party doesn't owe her (or anyone). The party belongs to the people.

I think your thinking like a caveman lawyer who was recently frozen in ice.

Yes abstractly the party belongs to the people but, people are moved by what they are told and what they know. The press and the people who finance those ridiculously expensive TV spots control what most people know. Also leaders within the party who already have the trust of segments of the "people" within the party do influence those folk's choices. I'm sure it's those influencing elements whom she would feel betrayed by.

Also, what someone is feeling is what someone is feeling. Whether you or I see it as justified isn't relevant. She will act based on those feelings.

[tjinaz]

All the party people in the house say HO!... say HO HO!








Always wanted to do that and i think it applies here.

[fatso]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

He is just winning because he gives a better speech, looks shiny and is black.

with insight like this Calgaryborn, you should have your own show on CNN.

[Dan02]

Originally Posted by fatso

with insight like this Calgaryborn, you should have your own show on CNN.

ohhh he could slot in between Glen Beck and Gracie Jane. What a trifecta that would be.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Clinton is a woman scorned. She has invested years of her life and a lot of money into being the first female president of the United States and has had her party and the media turn their back on her. Only she knows how many promises were made to her and then broken by her peers in the Democratic party. Obama doesn't offer anything significantly different to Hilliary as far as campaign promises go. He is just winning because he gives a better speech, looks shiny and is black.

Yes I think Hilliary is hoping for something to come out that will prove Obama unelectable. But I also think that Hilliary isn't the type of women you tell to sit down and be quiet and let this man lead. Why should she take one for the good of the party when her party has betrayed her?

Unfortunately there are a lot of people in the party who put everything into being president, but don't get the opportunity. That's just the way it works.

My biggest worry is that the doubling effect of the black vote in the primaries (the idea that virtually all blacks will vote democrat anyway, so compared to the real election their influence is halved), will result in Obama not really being as popular as he appears and McCain the nut job becoming president.

[HotHotHeat]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

I think your thinking like a caveman lawyer who was recently frozen in ice.

Yes abstractly the party belongs to the people but, people are moved by what they are told and what they know. The press and the people who finance those ridiculously expensive TV spots control what most people know. Also leaders within the party who already have the trust of segments of the "people" within the party do influence those folk's choices. I'm sure it's those influencing elements whom she would feel betrayed by.

Also, what someone is feeling is what someone is feeling. Whether you or I see it as justified isn't relevant. She will act based on those feelings.

Right now I feel like ice cream, but I don't feel like taking out my wallet. It would be so much easier to just not pay. I'm going to act on my feelings.

[4X4]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

I think your thinking like a caveman lawyer who was recently frozen in ice.

Yes abstractly the party belongs to the people but, people are moved by what they are told and what they know. The press and the people who finance those ridiculously expensive TV spots control what most people know. Also leaders within the party who already have the trust of segments of the "people" within the party do influence those folk's choices. I'm sure it's those influencing elements whom she would feel betrayed by.

Also, what someone is feeling is what someone is feeling. Whether you or I see it as justified isn't relevant. She will act based on those feelings.

Hold on. I thought this discussion was about politics, not religion.

[Montana Moe]

Originally Posted by blankall

...My biggest worry is that the doubling effect of the black vote in the primaries (the idea that virtually all blacks will vote democrat anyway, so compared to the real election their influence is halved), will result in Obama not really being as popular as he appears and McCain the nut job becoming president.

Also remember, the Democrats are great at getting people registered to vote, but abysmal at getting them to the polls. (I could see this happening with many folks, especially youngsters thinking there is NO WAY McCain/Any Republican can be elected.)

Pair that with a well placed State/local anti-immigration bill, Marijuana legalization bill, etc. drawing conservatives to the polls, and I think it is entirely possible you will see a McCain victory.