Flames' Pride Night slotted for March 28 vs. LA

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on the rights of the individual, liberty, consent of the governed, political equality and equality before the law.

In what ways are his arguments inconsistent with liberalism? wouldn't everyone wearing the jersey be more consistent with collectivism?

Up until recently, our society for the most part never gave a #### about the rights of LGBTQ individuals. So if this society calls itself liberal, it should do what it can to make amends for the past and make gestures which show that we are no longer (or are at least striving not to be) a society that discriminates based on things like gender, sexual orientation, race, etc.

BoLevi is taking exception to the criticism Reimer and others have received. But he seems to have forgotten that people have freedom of speech and can excercise that right if they choose to.

No, everyone wearing the jersey isn't "collectivism". It's basic decency.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on the rights of the individual, liberty, consent of the governed, political equality and equality before the law.

In what ways are his arguments inconsistent with liberalism? wouldn't everyone wearing the jersey be more consistent with collectivism?

Maybe read about any one of the types of liberalism which build upon what you seem to believe is the one type of valid "pure" liberalism. John Rawls?

Perhaps to ensure Reimers own personal rights are protected he has a moral obligation in turn to ensure the LGBTQ+' comminity's rights are protected...that social contract thing.

[KelVarnsen]

I was already pretty damn proud and happy I won a jersey in the auction.

Posts from certain posters make me even prouder and happier.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

Maybe read about any one of the types of liberalism which build upon what you seem to believe is the one type of valid "pure" liberalism. John Rawls?

Perhaps to ensure Reimers own personal rights are protected he has a moral obligation in turn to ensure the LGBTQ+' comminity's rights are protected...that social contract thing.

Reimer has done nothing to infringe upon the rights of anyone.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

Maybe read about any one of the types of liberalism which build upon what you seem to believe is the one type of valid "pure" liberalism. John Rawls?

Perhaps to ensure Reimers own personal rights are protected he has a moral obligation in turn to ensure the LGBTQ+' comminity's rights are protected...that social contract thing.

I have. even Rauls lexically orders the Liberty Principle (freedoms of conscience, association and expression) before his Difference Principle (equality of opportunity). So it appears you disagree with him as well?

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by cannon7

I have. even Rauls lexically orders the Liberty Principle (freedoms of conscience, association and expression) before his Difference Principle (equality of opportunity). So it appears you disagree with him as well?

Took you a bit to Google those.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

Took you a bit to Google those.

Any other liberal philosophers you don't understand that you want to name drop?

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Any other liberal philosophers you don't understand that you want to name drop?

Understanding seems to be your key issue. You take out of context quotes or ideas, mangle them and then just pretend you don't get called out for being completely wrong. It's actually impressive how you just ignore being corrected so often.

Still no understanding of how you completely botched Godwin's Law.

The point was liberal philosophy isn't black and white like how you are twisting it to suit your narrative. It's a spectrum balancing personal rights and equality, and not a simple pecking order like you state.

Imagine if you spent 1/10th this effort pushing for inclusion.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by cannon7

I have. even Rauls lexically orders the Liberty Principle (freedoms of conscience, association and expression) before his Difference Principle (equality of opportunity). So it appears you disagree with him as well?

What's ya major, dude?

NSFW!

[Yamer]

Watching this thread become a total echo of the other shatters me.

This community isn't ready to have this conversation, and that's pathetically disappointing to realize.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

It's a spectrum balancing personal rights and equality, and not a simple pecking order like you state.

Imagine if you spent 1/10th this effort pushing for inclusion.

The Jersey issue has nothing to do with equality. No LGBTQ+ person's rights are infringed if Reimer doesn't wear the jersey. Jersey-wearing has no power to remove any rights of any LGBTQ+ person.

[Goriders]

I wonder if the season ending will kill this thread.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Goriders

I wonder if the season ending will kill this thread.

No, it will be the only thread until next season.

[OptimalTates]

Despite an exciting off-season I was pretty apathetic for most of the season. Between the rink discussions where the billionaires will have us pay for it, the multiple rape claims against Canadian players coming forward, the cover up of those rapes, and just the lack of any true success in well over a decade now, I went from huge hockey fan basing my schedule around when the Flames played to watching it in the background if I remember the game was on most nights.

But this was a bright spot of a crappy season for me. No bs, just the Flames showing their support of the LGBTQ+ community by all wearing their jerseys.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by getbak

No, it will be the only thread until next season.

It’ll just be Goriders popping in once a day to bump the thread and say “wow, people still talking about this? i don’t even care at all.” just over and over until September.

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

Despite an exciting off-season I was pretty apathetic for most of the season. Between the rink discussions where the billionaires will have us pay for it, the multiple rape claims against Canadian players coming forward, the cover up of those rapes, and just the lack of any true success in well over a decade now, I went from huge hockey fan basing my schedule around when the Flames played to watching it in the background if I remember the game was on most nights.

But this was a bright spot of a crappy season for me. No bs, just the Flames showing their support of the LGBTQ+ community by all wearing their jerseys.

Yeah, as annoying as having the “Liberalism 101” students stillobsessing about Reimer and trying to reframe the Flames as being forced to participate or secretly bigoted was, it was a positive experience all around that couldn’t be ruined by nobodies on the internet.

The jerseys looked great, everyone participated, player’s weren’t afraid of sharing positive experiences and reasons for caring, and the auctions seemed super successful. Hard to complain!

[Goriders]

I’ll keep it going if you want me to. I bet secretly you do.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Goriders

I’ll keep it going if you want me to. I bet secretly you do.

You over-estimate your value.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

What's ya major, dude?

NSFW!

Do you like apples?

NSFW!

Who doesn't? They're wicked delicious.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

It’ll just be Goriders popping in once a day to bump the thread and say “wow, people still talking about this? i don’t even care at all.” just over and over until September.



Yeah, as annoying as having the “Liberalism 101” students stillobsessing about Reimer and trying to reframe the Flames as being forced to participate or secretly bigoted was, it was a positive experience all around that couldn’t be ruined by nobodies on the internet.

The jerseys looked great, everyone participated, player’s weren’t afraid of sharing positive experiences and reasons for caring, and the auctions seemed super successful. Hard to complain!

Did all of the Flames want to, or were they just worried about getting Reimer'd.

We'll never know.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

The Jersey issue has nothing to do with equality. No LGBTQ+ person's rights are infringed if Reimer doesn't wear the jersey. Jersey-wearing has no power to remove any rights of any LGBTQ+ person.

Wearing a Klan robe doesn’t remove rights of black people. yet it seems to be frowned upon. And who said we were talking about rights? The jersey issue is all about promotion of equality in society, not legal rights.