Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Azure]

Originally Posted by chedder

On that note he flew from Kelowna to Penticton the other day then drove the motorcade back towards Kelowna to get to the photo op at the fruit stand. Captain climate at his best.

https://twitter.com/DanAlbas/status/...yKMyxRZoQ&s=19

Once you start paying attention to all the flights politicians take on the taxpayer dime, then you really start realizing how they're all a bunch of elitist hypocrites.

[Chingas]

Did I miss the discussion where the liberals have joined the screw the farmer brigade?

[CaptainCrunch]

Probably doesn't belong here, but Jerry was so linked with the Federal Government and was part of the whole media fund decisions, that it has to go somewhere.

Looks like old Jerry was living pretty high on the hog and taking cash in paper bags

https://twitter.com/user/status/1551186986399977472

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/busi...o-drop-ethics/

Former Unifor national president Jerry Dias, who was accused by his own organization of improperly accepting $50,000 from a vendor, became increasingly panicked in his final days before retiring, and exerted pressure on a former assistantwho had made the initial complaint about the alleged payment.
Mr. Dias used his power and influence within Unifor to get his current assistants to convince the whistleblower, Chris MacDonald, to withdraw his complaint so that an investigation into Mr. Dias’s conduct would not proceed. One of those assistants was Scott Doherty, a close friend of Mr. Dias who is now running in Unifor’s election for its next president.
These allegations, and other specifics of the events that led up to Mr. Dias’s abrupt retirement from Unifor this year, are contained in a 29-page third-party investigative report that was reviewedby The Globe and Mail. It was prepared by the employment law firm Turnpenny Milne LLP and submitted to Unifor on March 15.

Mr. MacDonald, the former assistant, lodged his formal complaint against Mr. Dias in January. The recipient of that complaint was the union’s secretary-treasurer, Lana Payne – who, like Mr. Doherty, is now running for the union’s presidency.
Mr. MacDonald told Ms. Payne that Mr. Dias had received $50,000 as a gift from a supplier of COVID-19 rapid tests, in exchange for promoting the company’s tests to union members.
And Mr. MacDonald claimed he had personally received half the money from Mr. Dias, as a cash reward for successfully getting Unifor-affiliated employers to purchase those tests in bulk. (The name of the supplier is not revealed in the report.)

Ms. Milne’s report devotes eight pages to detailing how Mr. Dias attempted to interfere in the investigation by pressuring Mr. MacDonald to drop the complaint, sometimes through texts and phone calls and sometimes through his other assistants, including Mr. Doherty.
The report also details how Mr. Diasallegedly came to accept the $50,000, and the circumstances that led to him giving half of that money to Mr. MacDonald.

[Locke]

Unions doing what they do best. Another wonderful little entry into their illustrious history.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by chedder

On that note he flew from Kelowna to Penticton the other day then drove the motorcade back towards Kelowna to get to the photo op at the fruit stand. Captain climate at his best.

https://twitter.com/DanAlbas/status/...yKMyxRZoQ&s=19

Of course not a single peep from our darling objective media about Trudeau's photo op flight.

Drake, a millionaire celebrity singer taking a charted flight from Toronto to Hamilton in transit? Outrageous! 14 minute flight! Celebrities are just the worst and need to be held to a higher standard!

https://www.thespec.com/entertainmen...n-toronto.html

https://www.blogto.com/music/2022/07...-jet-hamilton/

Saskatchewan finance minister (conservative of course) takes 400km charter flight to remote region after a budget tax hike? Massive outrage on the news demanding an apology, the audacity of spending for a lunch! Typical conservatives are such hypocrites! She could have driven that 400km as well, and she said she was exhausted? Wow how lazy!

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saska...ight-1.6525318

Our climate change fighting PM declaring war on farmers while simultaneously taking a 60km chartered flight just for his own photo op back to the same location? Surely that is worth an article considering the previous outages.

...anyone?

Hey look Poilievre just announced he wants jets at the Toronto Island Airport. Think of the noise and pollution he wants to add!


Oh and totally unrelated here is a feel good story of Trudeau visiting a BC cherry farm and making stops around Kelowna that has been affected by climate change. I wonder what was his travel of choice? Did he also tell them of his plans to drastically cut their fertilizer use as part of his fight against climate change?

https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2022/0...c-cherry-farm/

Silly details only those nutty backward climate change denying conservatives would dwell on. Honk and vote Liberal if you want to fight climate change rah rah.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Locke

Unions doing what they do best. Another wonderful little entry into their illustrious history.

“Individual Union leader does something bad. The Union finds out. The Union holds that person accountable for their actions. The Union makes their findings public even though they don’t have to. Bottom line: Unions are bad.” - Locke

[Locke]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

“Individual Union leader does something bad. The Union finds out. The Union holds that person accountable for their actions. The Union makes their findings public even though they don’t have to. Bottom line: Unions are bad.” - Locke

It was a little 'tongue in cheek' but Unions do have to own their very long, sordid history of theft, organized crime and embezzlement.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Locke

It was a little 'tongue in cheek' but Unions do have to own their very long, sordid history of theft, organized crime and embezzlement.

When can we expect corporations to do the same?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

When can we expect corporations to do the same?

All the time, usually through insolvency.

One cant just assume that one side is evil and the other is perfect, its two vested interests in a conflictive relationship.

Ideally, it wouldnt be that way. But that relationship prohibits cooperation.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Locke

All the time, usually through insolvency.

Yeah I’m gonna have to go ahead and disagree with your assessment that they are held accountable “all the time”.

I mean just use the current example of Dias accepting a bribe, has anything happened to the company that offered him the bribe?

One cant just assume that one side is evil and the other is perfect, its two vested interests in a conflictive relationship.

Ideally, it wouldnt be that way. But that relationship prohibits cooperation.

Odd take considering your posting history on the subject suggests you’re just as entrenched as anyone in trying to label one side as evil.

[2Stonedbirds]

Sure the john solicited a prostitute, but what about the pimps?

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

Sure the john solicited a prostitute, but what about the pimps?

You’re entitled to your opinion that they deserve a pass. Not sure how many people would agree with that opinion, but you’re entitled to it none the less.

[PeteMoss]

If accurate - this poll shows the Conservatives issues in a nutshell:

Spoiler!

Selecting Poilievre as a leader - they win Alberta/Saskatechwan and Manitoba by wild margins, but lose Ontario, Quebec and the Maritimes.

Selecting Charest as a leader - they drop a bunch of points in the Alberta/prairie provinces (to PPC/Other) but still win comfortable but also win Ontario and the Maritimes and pass the Liberals in Quebec

[GordonBlue]

So help me out here.
I had to drive through downtown Edmonton on Saturday and was near the Freedom convoy/protest.

There must have been at least 30 Russian flags.
This is supposed to represent Trudeau being a dirty commie, correct? And not the "freedom" people supporting Russia in the war.

Just wanted to make sure I had it right as it was pretty jarring to see.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

So help me out here.
I had to drive through downtown Edmonton on Saturday and was near the Freedom convoy/protest.

There must have been at least 30 Russian flags.
This is supposed to represent Trudeau being a dirty commie, correct? And not the "freedom" people supporting Russia in the war.

Just wanted to make sure I had it right as it was pretty jarring to see.

You sure it wasn't the Dutch flag, perhaps been flown upside down? The protest was ostensibly in support of Dutch farmers, but it's mostly an excuse to continue to be dicks.

I saw a Lamborghini pulled over, as I passed it I realized they were trying to strap a Canadian flag to the hood. They should have their Lamborghini privileges revoked.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Chingas

Did I miss the discussion where the liberals have joined the screw the farmer brigade?

So to give more detail on what I assume you are talking about.

The Liberals want to cut nitrogen emissions 4% per year going forward. Not necessarily nitrogen 'usage' but emissions.

If you dig into the details, and understand how farming works, you quickly realize that fertilizer practices absolutely need to be updated. Up to 40% of nitrogen is generally not absorbed, and just runs off into the ditches and eventually into our water system.

I think JT is a moron, and the Liberals need to be kicked to the curb, but farming is going to change a lot the next 30 years. Of course the tone-deaf Liberals are going about this in the worst way possible, but Canada as a country needs to find a way to do more to protect our wetlands, water sources, etc....all of which are suffering because of the way we live, including farming methods. We also need to a find a way to support the Canadian farmer so that he can adapt to some of these problems. Basically we need smart farming where fertilizer & chemical use is extremely targeted and results in more absorption and less application.

At the same time the Feds need to invest in rehabilitating our wetlands as they help remove a lot of the phosphorous from the water before it hits our fresh water sources. Lake Winnipeg & Netley Marsh are a great example of this. The City of Winnipeg can't properly treat its sewage, plus Lake Winnipeg deals with tons of run off and accumulated water from a variety of rivers, and as a result it is in terrible shape. The Netley Marsh Rehabilitation Project has proven a way to fight back against this, but they can't get enough funding to do it on a large scale. One would think the Liberals would be all over this.

[gasman]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

If accurate - this poll shows the Conservatives issues in a nutshell:

Spoiler!

Selecting Poilievre as a leader - they win Alberta/Saskatechwan and Manitoba by wild margins, but lose Ontario, Quebec and the Maritimes.

Selecting Charest as a leader - they drop a bunch of points in the Alberta/prairie provinces (to PPC/Other) but still win comfortable but also win Ontario and the Maritimes and pass the Liberals in Quebec

I would be willing to bet that if the CPC had Charest as the leader, you would still see the massive wins in Alberta, Sask and Manitoba.

This all or nothing mentality is going to ruin any chance of getting a conservative government back in power any time soon.

If I understand it, the mentality is that Charest is too much "of a liberal" so they would rather have a true blue right politician like Poilievre as the leader. Unfortunately he 0% chance to be the PM, because he is unelectable in most of the country.

The more logical choice to vote in Charest as the leader, which gives the CPC the best chance of getting back in power. Even if Charest governs more towards the center, he is much more right leaning than the current PM.

A vote for Poilievre as Leader of the CPC essentially guarantees another 4 years of Trudeau.....

[chedder]

So, with the polling above we should see if they want to actually win an election or just keep being angry children catering to the ignorant, religious and stupid freedumb crowd.

Unfortunately, I know what my money's on.

[redforever]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

If accurate - this poll shows the Conservatives issues in a nutshell:

Spoiler!

Selecting Poilievre as a leader - they win Alberta/Saskatechwan and Manitoba by wild margins, but lose Ontario, Quebec and the Maritimes.

Selecting Charest as a leader - they drop a bunch of points in the Alberta/prairie provinces (to PPC/Other) but still win comfortable but also win Ontario and the Maritimes and pass the Liberals in Quebec

Do you have a link to the poll and when it was done?

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by gasman

A vote for Poilievre as Leader of the CPC essentially guarantees another 4 years of Trudeau.....

Trudeau is a dolt but he's not sticking around for another term after this one. The Liberals will force him out. His sticking around would be incredibly risky for the party, and the Liberals aren't that myopic. Chrystia Freeland or someone else will head that party and go well on the offensive before the next election (Skippy, Charest, or otherwise).