[News] UPD: Friedman: Peters being officially removed as head coach is close

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by Mike F

If the Flames lawyers haven't issued their opinion by now, they should get new lawyers. They should know the contract and contract/employment law, and the facts and players shouldn't take this long to investigate.

And this is coming from a lawyer.

Yeah, you don't have the details. This kind of post is pure fantasy. I imagine a multimillion dollar organization can afford competent lawyers.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

You're assuming that the lawyers have a complete statement of the facts. That's a huge assumption and likely wrong.

I'm not sure why everyone is so anxious to get this resolved so quickly. Peters is away from the team, and everyone should be content to sit tight and let the process run its course.

Because the public wants a head in a basket and they want it now.

[DionTheDman]

Originally Posted by Mike F

If the Flames lawyers haven't issued their opinion by now, they should get new lawyers. They should know the contract and contract/employment law, and the facts and players shouldn't take this long to investigate.

And this is coming from a lawyer.

I would imagine that, as a lawyer, you'd realize that there's a lot that goes on behind the scenes that the public is not privy to, and that any rushed decision has a higher chance of being a poor decision. I prefer they take their time, speak with all the relevant people, gather all the necessary documents, and weigh all the options.

And this is coming from another lawyer.

[Leeman4Gilmour]

Originally Posted by Mike F

If the Flames lawyers haven't issued their opinion by now, they should get new lawyers. They should know the contract and contract/employment law, and the facts and players shouldn't take this long to investigate.

And this is coming from a lawyer.

With ~$3,000,000+ on the table for Peters, I suspect he's got a couple of lawyers himself.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Mike F

If the Flames lawyers haven't issued their opinion by now, they should get new lawyers. They should know the contract and contract/employment law, and the facts and players shouldn't take this long to investigate.

And this is coming from a lawyer.

Even if the Flames' lawyers had come up with a conclusion, and made a recommendation, that would then go to Peters' lawyers. Possibly the League would be involved too. Then there is the PR/messaging side of it that they have to get right.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Because the public wants a head in a basket and they want it now.

And I'm sure you agree, the Flames and their lawyers could care less what the public wants.

Nor should they care.

This is not simple stuff, and there is absolutely no reason why the decision needs to be rushed.

[Robbob]

I think this will also be used as a precedent for any future incidents like this. NHL is for sure in contact with the Flames through this process and they want to make sure this is down right.

[chedder]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

This pretty much exactly what I just said. The "we" in "we can't fire him" is the general public. The Flames can fire him.

Ah. Misinterpreted your post. Sorry slug!

[Manhattanboy]

League lawyers have been in touch with Flames lawyers. I know this for a fact.

[dammage79]

Even if they were legally hand tied to paying out Peter's and firing "normally", you still have to think the more recent accusations from the Canes will lead the NHL and their Lawyers to snuff out his contract. Peter's will be gone from the league. It is only a matter of when in my estimation.

[burn_this_city]

This situation is likely precedent setting so they are going to be a thorough as possible. Can anyone think of a similar situation in any of the major sports leagues?

[Since1984]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

This situation is likely precedent setting so they are going to be a thorough as possible. Can anyone think of a similar situation in any of the major sports leagues?

Off the top of my head, similar but not exactly similar:

Clippers former owner:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Sterling

[nieuwy-89]

Originally Posted by New Era

Yeah, so much for this not being tagged with the Flames. "Flames" in almost every headline, and the flaming C being in almost every picture of every story that's come out in the last 24 hours. The Flames are doing the right thing, but this is still going to be associated with the Flames, just like the Dennis Wideman incident will always be associated with the team.

On the surface it sucks that the team I have loved and cheered for since childhood is at the centre of another scandal. Like many of you I'm feeling hurt by this and was saddened to have to explain this whole situation to my kids.

Unlike the Wideman incident, the Flames have the chance here to do something really positive for hockey and for sport in general. They have already proven to be a forward-looking organization with McGratton's role and how they have handled player's personal health issues of late (think of Stajan a few years ago, Brodie this year).

I'm hoping the Flames will see this as the opportunity to initiate a real culture change in the hockey and not try to bury this or "put it behind us and move forward" as they say in modern sports talk.

Go Flames Go - Go and do the right thing.

[Fan in Exile]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Because the public wants a head in a basket and they want it now.

Once a head is severed, the most decent thing to do is to put it in a basket. Far more civilized than letting heads roll.

Seriously though, I think it is obviously in the best interests of the organization, and the players and coaching staff in particular, to have things resolved as soon as possible, including a decision on who the new head coach is. The season was already nearing crisis point when this came out.

[underGRADFlame]

Well I'm guessing if we hear something today, it'll be post game as not to distract the players any further. Likely right after any player post game availability.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

And I'm sure you agree, the Flames and their lawyers could care less what the public wants.

Nor should they care.

This is not simple stuff, and there is absolutely no reason why the decision needs to be rushed.

I agree 100%. I posted all day yesterday about not understanding why people couldn't wait for all the facts to come out and the situation to officially resolve before going off the deep end and I was run out of the forum.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Since1984

Off the top of my head, similar but not exactly similar:

Clippers former owner:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Sterling

Interesting side note:

One of Sterling's critics among the team owners, Atlanta Hawks majority stockholder Bruce Levenson,[90] also left the NBA in September 2014, as an indirect result of the incidents and lawsuits. Levenson reported a racially insensitive e-mail (sent two years prior) to the NBA, as the Sterling case made Levenson feel remorseful for behaving in a manner he described as similar.[91]

[Corral]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Some of the posts dragging CP down in this thread were penned by you. Take some responsibility for what you’ve said.

You said, “There is no legal reason” after multiple people had informed you with articles showing why there are legal reasons. It was a stupid thing to say. Note I did not call you stupid. But your post most clearly was.

I mean if you open your mouth and say something foolish and I point it out how is that dragging CP down? You said something stupid, deal with it. It certainly isn’t the first time.

There is a difference between there being applicable law and there being legal reasons for this delay. I see reasons as meaning issues and I don’t see legal issues with his firing other than how much money he is owed for being terminated early.

Calling my post stupid is not helpful for discussion

[Otto29]

Originally Posted by ToraToraTora

Innocent until proven guilty is a criminal concept. This is not a criminal charge. It's also a concept that originated because of a very high proportion of crimes punishable by death, so they wanted to be pretty sure someone did something before killing them. While Peters will experience a consequence, I don't think he's going to be short-drop hanged, or sent to Australia.

That is incorrect. It is still a core tenant of our democracy. We, as in the general public, feel we get to place blame based on information passed via media with whatever spin they deem appropriate. It's incredibly ignorant for us to sit here and say "This 'probably' happened so we insist you destroy this guy's life." If it was you, I promise you would want the opportunity to have a fair process applied.

If its discovered that Peters did do this then the appropriate measures should be taken. Its not fair for any of us to pick up the pitchforks before then. If its found out that he didn't do this, well it seems his lively hood has already been destroyed. Now imagine that is you and how you you feel about this.

Im not going to argue anymore about this. I'm just trying to make a point that this process is far from fair and the world of social media has destroys a guys life

[dissentowner]

Well, from the past few pages I know I can turn to CP if I ever need a bunch of lawyers.