[News] Tentative Agreement Reached! New Arena!

[Beatle17]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

I do actually. She is an ideologue complete with a crew of zealots. She lost all touch with balance long ago. Farkas is the exact same. They are two sides of a coin, that execute in eerily similar ways.

The stupidity you describe above sounds like Farkas. Only he would kill good projects not over spend them.

Either way she never was for this project no matter what. I debated her on social media years ago prior to Calgary Next. She was admit no public dollars at all toward pro sports.

Those are the people you have to play the game with, because that is what they do. Play games.

I want to apologize for my original post, for some reason I misread your post and responded incorrectly. Thank you for clarifying.

[Squeakymm]

Hey finally found my way back lost the website then forgot about it lol Now to the arena the A Few things Have me Really Twisted the wrong way about this First they announce they have a deal do press conference when they havent even gotten City Council Vote passed 2 There taking 2 years to even start construction now yes certain Things take time but 2 years imo there dragging there Ass 3 Then you get into the contruction portion and Why in good lord is it gonna Take 3 Years for the flames Arena but it only took 2 years for the oilers now no im not a oil fan but the design cant be that much different in terms of construction

[jaikorven]

Edit due to additional info passed on to me.

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[Robbob]

I don't know for certain, but my guess delaying things has to do with the BMO expansion and staggering the construction.

[mikephoen]

It's only 20 months until spring 2021. That's not that much time to completely design a new arena and the surrounding infrastructure. Especially if they go with the inverted bowl idea, which means treading on completely new territory for an arena.

[getbak]

In Edmonton, they came to their first agreement on the funding framework in October 2011. In September 2012, with a deal still not finalized, Katz made his well-publicized visit to Seattle. In October 2012, Edmonton city council announced they were ceasing negotiations with Katz.

In May 2013, Council passed the final deal for the funding of the arena. In December 2013, Rogers signed on as the naming sponsor for the building. In February 2014, final financing was confirmed and the official groundbreaking occurred in early March 2014.

The building finally opened in fall 2016, almost a full five years after the initial funding framework was approved by Council.


If the Calgary city council approves this plan next week, we'll just be where Edmonton was in 2011.

[4X4]

Originally Posted by Squeakymm

Hey finally found my way back lost the website then forgot about it lol Now to the arena the A Few things Have me Really Twisted the wrong way about this First they announce they have a deal do press conference when they havent even gotten City Council Vote passed 2 There taking 2 years to even start construction now yes certain Things take time but 2 years imo there dragging there Ass 3 Then you get into the contruction portion and Why in good lord is it gonna Take 3 Years for the flames Arena but it only took 2 years for the oilers now no im not a oil fan but the design cant be that much different in terms of construction

Me fail English? That's unpossible.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Squeakymm

Hey finally found my way back lost the website then forgot about it lol Now to the arena the A Few things Have me Really Twisted the wrong way about this First they announce they have a deal do press conference when they havent even gotten City Council Vote passed 2 There taking 2 years to even start construction now yes certain Things take time but 2 years imo there dragging there Ass 3 Then you get into the contruction portion and Why in good lord is it gonna Take 3 Years for the flames Arena but it only took 2 years for the oilers now no im not a oil fan but the design cant be that much different in terms of construction

this is my favourite post

[powderjunkie]

Can anyone explain the urgency to sign the deal immediately? I understand that waiting for council to resume in September seems long, but in the context of this decade-plus saga it's hardly any time at all...also, it's not like council's calendar was decided yesterday - the parties could/should have been negotiating to a hard deadline of getting the initial release out last week (ie. the week after Stampede).

What would be lost by this extra little delay? It's not like they are planning for shovels in the ground next spring...

I wonder if one of Stampede's conditions is a 23 month main construction phase? The logistics of moving materials and equipment doesn't mix well with the pedestrian, equine, and vehicle traffic during 10 day Stampede...though I'm sure they could schedule accordingly to avoid construction traffic for that period

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

I do actually. She is an ideologue complete with a crew of zealots. She lost all touch with balance long ago. Farkas is the exact same. They are two sides of a coin, that execute in eerily similar ways.

The stupidity you describe above sounds like Farkas. Only he would kill good projects not over spend them.

Either way she never was for this project no matter what. I debated her on social media years ago prior to Calgary Next. She was admit no public dollars at all toward pro sports.

Those are the people you have to play the game with, because that is what they do. Play games.

I never read your other posts, but I can only guess you are talking about Dru Farrell.

She’s worse than an ideologue, she’s an egotistical ideologue. She only uses a frame of reference like urbanism or a pride parade to placate her own insecurities and elevate her own importance.

She actively hurts the causes she claims to support because she caustic and toxically inflexible. Just like Farkas and his lunatic fringe.

A new event centre is about place making. The Flames and the city are partners. The role of government is to perform roles neither individuals or businesses cannot. In a market the size of Calgary this is their role in place making. The Flames aren’t stupid, they can’t take all of the risk of a project this scale in a market this size. They’ve done a piss poor job of communicating their position, and vision as has the city.

I’m 100% on board for the project, but I haven’t seen any visions about what the space can look like or how it can perform in 10 years on a Saturday in January or February before a game or the day after with other winter festivals/ events or ongoings that can either embrace the cold or take full advantage of a chinook.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Ahh yes, nothing but grandstanding by Wooley. He already tried to delay the vote, and his motion lost 9-4. He's behaving like a Brexiter here. "No vote is final until I get my way."

The vote in council was based on information that the approval couldn’t be delayed. Asking for a formal confirmation of that statement seems pretty reasonable when making a large capital decision.

[I-Hate-Hulse]

For everyone wondering why the vote has to go to Council so soon, look no further than the council's calendar:

https://www.calgary.ca/CA/city-clerk...l_calendar.pdf

Council adjourns for all of August - so either it goes to vote next week, or it has to face scrutiny for 6 more weeks - something the Olympic bid has taught people leads to a no vote.

[Locke]

I look back to the heady old days of the CalgaryNEXT proposal....

I remember sitting in my office watching the presentation click by on my TV and being incredibly excited! What a project! What a plan!

Then the renderings came and my excitement waned. But bad pictures, while amateurish dont mean much, its still good, its still good.

By the time the Financial slide clicked by all hope was lost.

Whats the point of this story? You can often tell a bad deal generally at first blush regardless of how badly you might want it to be a good one unless key elements and details are being deliberately hidden.

We dont need more time. The people who hammered this out have spent thousands of hours on it. John Q. Taxpayer are going to have to let the people we elected to represent us make a goddamned decision.

I'm getting sick of 'Public Consultation.'

If the people elected to represent us cant make a decision on behalf of the people they represent then what is the point in having them?

[Royle9]

The posturing and political game Wooley is playing is embarrassing.
How is his guy still being elected...

It's done, let it be done and lets move on.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Locke

I look back to the heady old days of the CalgaryNEXT proposal....

I remember sitting in my office watching the presentation click by on my TV and being incredibly excited! What a project! What a plan!

Then the renderings came and my excitement waned. But bad pictures, while amateurish dont mean much, its still good, its still good.

By the time the Financial slide clicked by all hope was lost.

Whats the point of this story? You can often tell a bad deal generally at first blush regardless of how badly you might want it to be a good one unless key elements and details are being deliberately hidden.

We dont need more time. The people who hammered this out have spent thousands of hours on it. John Q. Taxpayer are going to have to let the people we elected to represent us make a goddamned decision.

I'm getting sick of 'Public Consultation.'

If the people elected to represent us cant make a decision on behalf of the people they represent then what is the point in having them?

I actually kind of agree. The first thing that I thought when Nenshi stepped up to the mic and lead with "this is a great deal for the city" I thought it was a sales pitch and probably not a great deal.

I'm actually in favour of this anyway though. Did they do their homework here? Sure doesn't look like it. Will it work out as perfect as planned? Probably not. Does this particular arena buck the trend of making financial sense compared to virtually every other arena that has been funded with public money? Of course not.

But you know what, they've shown no fiscal restraint anywhere else, and frankly they're going to spend the money on some other pet project, so I'm cool with it being an arena, sorry event center. The truth is I do want to see a new rink for the Flames and if it finally means we get all these concerts that we seem to miss it's an added bonus.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by Locke

I look back to the heady old days of the CalgaryNEXT proposal....

I remember sitting in my office watching the presentation click by on my TV and being incredibly excited! What a project! What a plan!

Then the renderings came and my excitement waned. But bad pictures, while amateurish dont mean much, its still good, its still good.

By the time the Financial slide clicked by all hope was lost.

Whats the point of this story? You can often tell a bad deal generally at first blush regardless of how badly you might want it to be a good one unless key elements and details are being deliberately hidden.

We dont need more time. The people who hammered this out have spent thousands of hours on it. John Q. Taxpayer are going to have to let the people we elected to represent us make a goddamned decision.

I'm getting sick of 'Public Consultation.'

If the people elected to represent us cant make a decision on behalf of the people they represent then what is the point in having them?

You never want to let the "people" decide. "People" are idiots. When elected representatives abrogate their duty to govern, stupidity ensues - see Kingdom, United for reference.

[InglewoodFan]

Originally Posted by Locke

I'm getting sick of 'Public Consultation.'

If the people elected to represent us cant make a decision on behalf of the people they represent then what is the point in having them?

I will fully admit that a part of my annoyance at the short review period is my exasperation at a council that has been more than willing to kick issues down the road (and back to endless committees) when it is an issue that might blow back on their re-election chances. Bike lanes, ward boundaries, Green Line - you name it, our gang can dither on it for seemingly ever. At times, it seems that the only time they can get anything done is the two years after an election because once the next election gets close enough, that's the end of any sort of decisiveness.

[Roughneck]

I just hope the next time a cycle track gets proposed it will only require as much public engagement as this proposal.

[the_only_turek_fan]

I am willing to bet Jeff Davison is going to run for mayor.

He seemed to come out of this unscathed.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

I am willing to bet Jeff Davison is going to run for mayor.

He seemed to come out of this unscathed.

Not just unscathed. He was a catalyst in making it happen and getting back on track.