[GDT] Preseason: Flames @ Canucks 8pm MT. Sportsnet

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

No question he's made the team IMO. People are reading too much into him finally getting a night off. They weren't going to play him every single preseason game

I think he'll get the occasional night off early in the season just like Tkachuk did but he's shown too much not to make the team.

Absolutely, the team watched him dominate the Penticton tournament, look astounding during training camp practices, look like a clear NHL player in the first three games and then said "Okay, that's good Mark, we're going to pull you out and evaluate the guys that aren't sure things now".

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by Rollin22x

Wins and losses in the preseason mean nothing but effort and execution does. The first few games were excusable since they had so many rookies playing.
Last night, they should have dominated or even looked slightly better the Canucks.


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I don't know that this is actually true. My point is that there isn't a correlation between preseason and regular season. If you believe there is, that's fine... I disagree.


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[Karl]

Yeah, can't see last night's lines as being the exact same opening night lineup against the Oil. I mean, Freddie in the opening night lineup??? C'mon, that's a joke.

Also doubt Glass is in the opening night lineup if he gets signed and I'd say it is 50/50 whether Stajan is in the pressbox opening night or starting on the 4th line.

Got a feeling we'll also see different lines for the game tomorrow as well, despite the coach running out the same lines in practice.

[VilleN]

Dbl post.

[Karl]

If Glass actually makes it through his PTO, Freddie should be the one getting waived, not Hathaway.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Karl

Yeah, can't see last night's lines as being the exact same opening night lineup against the Oil. I mean, Freddie in the opening night lineup??? C'mon, that's a joke.

Also doubt Glass is in the opening night lineup if he gets signed and I'd say it is 50/50 whether Stajan is in the pressbox opening night or starting on the 4th line.

Got a feeling we'll also see different lines for the game tomorrow as well, despite the coach running out the same lines in practice.

I think that if Glass is signed, he won't be in the line-up every game. However, I would definitely assume that he would indeed dress for the opening night, and probably for the next 3 games as well (unless he lays a stinker). Flames start the season playing Oilers-Jets-Ducks-Kings. Why else would the Flames sign him if not for those teams?

[Karl]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Have to think Hathaway is as good as gone to Stockton unless the Flames demote Freddie, and let's be honest, that's not happening.

Didn't realize that acquiring Dougie meant giving up a roster spot to his brother but that's apparently the case. Too bad.

If Glass survives his PTO and they decide to sign him, Freddie has to get waived because Hathaway is simply a better hockey player than elder Hamilton.

Besides, Dougie's not a baby and he doesn't NEED Freddie to be around.

[PugnaciousIntern]

Originally Posted by monkeyman

Sounds like they’re taking a page out of Kings playbook. Maybe they asked the canucks to spot them 5 goals at the beginning of the game and then decided they weren’t going to try since the caucks refused. Gio will probably release a statement today blaming the whole thing on the canucks organization and reqest for Henrik be removed as captain.

I'm missing something...

[Rollin22x]

Originally Posted by VilleN

I don't know that this is actually true. My point is that there isn't a correlation between preseason and regular season. If you believe there is, that's fine... I disagree.


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You may be right. I just hope when the regular season starts, the team looks a lot better.


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[Red Slinger]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Do you believe from this clip that Friedman believes the Flames will not do well this season or that coaches, management and fans should be worried?

I stand by my representation of his opinion of the Flames.

Since you posted that article in response to my post I want to clarify that I don't think struggling in the preseason is a precursor to struggling in the regular season. However, I do think that a lackadaisical effort is potentially concerning and becomes a bad habit and can carry over into a poor start for the regular season.

I am fairly confident that the Flames will have a good season and are very likely to make the playoffs. What I'm not confident in at the moment is what happens on game #1 against the Oilers in Edmonton. Do we see the same disjointed effort and execution as last years opener (and this years preseason)? Players and teams, generally speaking, can't just flip the switch and go from coasting to soaring. Usually, it requires a build up.

The other thing that's a little concerning is that the Flames, with largely their starting lineup, were playing pretty well until Vancouver scored and then the air went out of the balloon. The same thing happened later in the game. It's not necessarily worth panicking over, but it would be very concerning if that mentality carries over into the regular season.

I think the game against the Jets is important, or as important as a pre-season game can be. The Flames need to come out with a consistent effort and actually be prepared for game 1 against the Oilers in Edmonton. They don't necessarily have to win the Jets game but they have to at least get into the groove of regular season effort and execution.

[Lanny_McDonald]

I'm really interested to see the final cuts. In the NHL right now you need to be a big team, or a fast team. The Flames are kind of neither. They appear to be too slow to play the speed game, and they appear to be too small to play the power game. I'm really interested in seeing what the final lineup looks like and what those lines are going to be.

[djsFlames]

So I was away and could see the game or browse CP since this game.

Can anybody give a little breakdown? The good/bad?
Was it as embarrassing as losing to a semi regular canucks lineup with 98% of the flames starting roster would appear?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Karl

If Glass actually makes it through his PTO, Freddie should be the one getting waived, not Hathaway.

Hamilton and Hathaway are different types of players. Hamilton does a lot of little things better, especially defensively. The things Hathaway does better are more attention getting - the big hits, fighting, etc. But management has always seemed to feel Freddie has the more rounded game. Hathaway has a slightly better contract for being an extra man or callup though.

IMO they are close enough in overall value that they can be used to spell each other off.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Hamilton and Hathaway are different types of players. Hamilton does a lot of little things better, especially defensively. The things Hathaway does better are more attention getting - the big hits, fighting, etc. But management has always seemed to feel Freddie has the more rounded game. Hathaway has a slightly better contract for being an extra man or callup though.

IMO they are close enough in overall value that they can be used to spell each other off.

I love hathaway but Freddie is the better player for sure in my opinion.

Hathaway so far this preseason looks like he spent all his moxie trying to make the roster last year. Doesn't have much jam left. Time to get out the spatula and scrape down the walls of the jar if you want to get every ounce out of him.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Mike F

That's not what he said. He said a number of things, including:

1. He's not worried about the team's motivation, and that Gaudreau in particular is fired up after last year's first round loss (that was in response to a question as to whether the team would have motivation problems will all of the key players locked up long term);
2. There's no reason to freak out over wins and losses in the preseason; it's about how you play the games, not whether the team wins or loses; in particular...
3. That the games that matter are the last couple of "dress rehersal" games. He acknowledged that they were bad last night, and will be interested in seeing how they do against Winnipeg, as Gulutzen was clearly not impressed with last night's performance;
4. He's not troubled that Glass and Jankowski have been the team's best players. You have a guy trying to stay in the league and one trying to push his way in, and they should be coming out with the most fire; and
5. When asked if Smith was on the way to being Elliott 2.0, he said he's not worried about Smith and thinks he'll be good for the Flames this season.

but he never gave the team a clear "they'll be fine and have a great year".

He also stated that if the Flames might go into the season with their current line up..... leaving room that they might be adding someone.

and while you pointed it out he had a lot of emphasis that Gulutzen was quite upset with the play and that he is not on a long term deal. a gap between his urgency and his players

interpret that how you may

[CsInMyBlood]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I love hathaway but Freddie is the better player for sure in my opinion.

Hathaway so far this preseason looks like he spent all his moxie trying to make the roster last year. Doesn't have much jam left. Time to get out the spatula and scrape down the walls of the jar if you want to get every ounce out of him.

I disagree with this. I think Hathaway is the better player. I know its somewhat hard to get a read on both of them due to low games and minutes played, but I see some untapped potential in Garnet. His IQ, play on the boards and puck possession is quite good. He also has relentless puck pursuit and is good at drawing penalties.

I thought he was one of our better players vs the Jets, not sure if you watched that game.

[GreenLantern2814]

Is the pre-season over yet?

In the next CBA, they should mandate five pre-season games, max. This isn't football - if you can't make an impression in five games + practices, you don't belong in the show.