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Old 05-12-2014, 04:30 PM   #801
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He looks hesitant to physically engage.
His work ethic doesn't look consistent, it is more visible in the offensive zone.
He looks like Sven but with way more skill.
I don't think it's that he is necessarily hesitant to play physical, that simply isn't Gaudreau's style of play. If he or a player like Kane tried to hit and bump opposing players consistently they simply wouldn't be as effective.

From what I've seen, being able to make plays in high traffic areas is a strength for him.
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Like Bartschi and all the comparisons to Hossa.
It wasn't a Flames fan who came up with that, it was Ray Ferraro who reiterated what Portland Winterhawk fans had started calling him.
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Old 05-12-2014, 04:31 PM   #803
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couldn't disagree more.

he lost a puck on the tail end of the PP today and hustled back and caught up to the guy who stole it to break up the play in our zone, very few guys will do that.
He also got nervous on his first shift going into the corner, bailed out and lost the puck. It was smart move one of the 2 Russians would have killed him.
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Old 05-12-2014, 04:36 PM   #804
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I don't think it's that he is necessarily hesitant to play physical, that simply isn't Gaudreau's style of play. If he or a player like Kane tried to hit and bump opposing players consistently they simply wouldn't be as effective.

From what I've seen, being able to make plays in high traffic areas is a strength for him.
Yeah can we please lose the Darryl Sutter era mind set that EVERY SINGLE PLAYER has to be some sort of 2-way defensive, gritty physical machine?

The kid is 5'7 and 150 lbs yet has managed to make the NHL. You don't try and change his style. You try to perfect it.
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Old 05-12-2014, 04:41 PM   #805
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Everyone is going to lose puck battles, unless you're chara. :P
Also, Gaudreau put up higher NHLE than kane and the same as crosby, not that it fully matters, just stating.
I have faith that he'll become a ppg player in 1-2 years if hartley does him well.
He put up 3 points, then has put up many scoring chances for other players, those would be points if he had a better teammate.
so I see no negatives. If he wasn't scoring OR making chances for his team then I would be worried.
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Old 05-12-2014, 04:42 PM   #806
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I don't have a problem with designating Johnny as an offensive specialist and not expecting him to block shots and go into the corners to dig.
We will need to put two fast, skilled and tough players on his line.
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Old 05-12-2014, 04:42 PM   #807
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He looks hesitant to physically engage.
His work ethic doesn't look consistent, it is more visible in the offensive zone.
He looks like Sven but with way more skill.

Not every player has to be physically engaging. Do you remember the time when Hartley mentioned (and 99% of CPers agreed) that Sven didn't have enough talent to get by on his skill alone. He needed to have more of a complete game and be a good fore-checker in order to have success.

Gaudreau is oozing with skill and is the exception that Hartley was referring to. That's not to say it's okay for him to have a 1 dimensional game, but from what I've heard and seen he's a good back-checker. When he's in the offensive zone it's not like he's being lazy. He's always trying to get open and make things happen.

As a comparison, I know Conacher was smaller and less skilled than Gaudreau and transitioned fine from the NCAA to NHL.
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There is no doubt in my mind Gaudreau will play at least 25 games in the AHL to start.
Prove you can play and produce against pro's, and then with the Flames.
Burke's philosophy is bring them along slow. Treliving has said exactly that numerous times since his hire.
Slow down peoples... He will get there, it will just take time
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Everyone is going to lose puck battles, unless you're chara. :P
Also, Gaudreau put up higher NHLE than kane and the same as crosby, not that it fully matters, just stating.
I have faith that he'll become a ppg player in 1-2 years if hartley does him well.
He put up 3 points, then has put up many scoring chances for other players, those would be points if he had a better teammate.
so I see no negatives. If he wasn't scoring OR making chances for his team then I would be worried.
The other day Chara coughed up the puck 3 times in one period.
All skilled players will do that because when you have the puck all the time it is bound to happen.
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I think Gaudreau will do better in the NHL than the AHL.

The AHL game is slow and players don't have NHL skill. Gaudreau will be making passes to players who don't expect it.
It would be a shame to see Gaudreau get some experience playing pro hockey with unskilled players like Corey Locke, Emile Poirier and Markus Granlund.
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I don't think it's that he is necessarily hesitant to play physical, that simply isn't Gaudreau's style of play. If he or a player like Kane tried to hit and bump opposing players consistently they simply wouldn't be as effective.

From what I've seen, being able to make plays in high traffic areas is a strength for him.
Yes, he is good in high traffic areas, away from the boards.
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Old 05-12-2014, 04:59 PM   #812
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I think Gaudreau might have a chance at becoming a smaller Jordan Eberle.
Too bad for Jordan he'll never be a larger Johnny.
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I don't get the Eberle comparison at all. Those two play different styles, the only thing they have in common is that neither is exactly the biggest player around.
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Did you guys hear about tension between Monahan and Johnny?

Apparently Monahan said - skittles are good, I like skittles. I also like meat, protein makes you grow. Johnny got mad but decided not to engage and said something about being the bigger man.
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It would be a shame to see Gaudreau get some experience playing pro hockey with unskilled players like Corey Locke, Emile Poirier and Markus Granlund.
Exactly.
Poirier another excellent example. 3 points in his first or second game with heat... then wound up out of line up by playoff end. That's not a knock on him, just huge transition and takes time to learn to be a pro. And JG will need time too.
It's starting to sound Oilerific around here
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I don't get the Eberle comparison at all. Those two play different styles, the only thing they have in common is that neither is exactly the biggest player around.
What do you think is so different about their styles?

Both are "balanced" players who score roughly the same amount of goals as assists.

Both love to dangle in the offensive end and score a lot of their points off the rush or by being "johnny on the spot" around the goal crease. They don;t chrage the net, they find the quiet spots.

Both more likely to win a puck battle with their stick then with their body.

Both love going to the backhand.

Makes more sense then the Patrick Kane comp to me as he is a guy that loves to go end to end with the puck and I haven't really seen Gaudreau do that at any level.
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that loves to go end to end with the puck and I haven't really seen Gaudreau do that at any level.


That's one of his biggest College goals. You're seriously not paying attention.
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Yeah I must have missed the part where Gaudreau is some kind of defensive force.

For some reason every Flames prospect on this site gets hyped as being a good two way player.

Like Bartschi and all the comparisons to Hossa.
Wow imagine that... Flames fans excited about a Flames prospect. It's almost like this is a Flames dominated discussion board.

Either way, he's a very exciting prospect, unlike the exciting prospects the Oilers have/had that are already lazy and engrained in a losing culture. I'd find elsewhere to post too if that's all there was to talk about my team.
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Wow imagine that... Flames fans excited about a Flames prospect. It's almost like this is a Flames dominated discussion board.

Either way, he's a very exciting prospect, unlike the exciting prospects the Oilers have/had that are already lazy and engrained in a losing culture. I'd find elsewhere to post too if that's all there was to talk about my team.
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That's one of his biggest College goals. You're seriously not paying attention.
You beat me to it. Obviously Oil Stained hasn't watched any Boston College games. Gaudreau is known for rushing the puck up the ice through several players in the process.



And it's not just the long stretch rushes... a lot of the Kane comparisons (again, stylistically, not directly) come from his ability to dangle and walk through several opposing players with great deft agility:




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