Justin Trudeau says marijuana should be legalized

[peter12]

I thought the biggest factor influencing drug addiction was isolation?

[Coach]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I thought the myth of the pusher died back in the 80s. People don't use drugs because sinister villains push drugs on them. They use drugs because they want to get high. In fact, people who sell pot are often wary when strangers - especially minors - try to buy from them. It increases their risk.

No doubt there would still be an underground pot market if it were legalized. But it would be much smaller than it is today.

In the words of the random drug dealer from Brooklyn 99:

"For the last time, drugs don't need pushing. People love drugs."

[Izzle]

Originally Posted by MattyC

In the words of the random drug dealer from Brooklyn 99:

"For the last time, drugs don't need pushing. People love drugs."

I want to say its Doug Judy that said it, but I dont know. Could be someone else.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Your position is clearly intractable and has seemingly been filled with more resolve the older you get.

In 2010 you used the same argument ('I've smoked about 10 times') and were far less militant about the impact of the drug on an individual and society.

What's changed, peter?

Clearly, people's opinions should change as they grow older, especially as they embrace a role of responsibility within their society. For me, marijuana is just a symptom of a mass cultural malaise that is having a greater, and more profound impact upon the social fabric of our democracies.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

I kind of hope they don't legalize it. I've been a user since I was 19, and I've literally never had a problem tracking the stuff down. I bet there's 20,0000 weed dealers in Calgary alone, it's seriously not a problem to find it. In addition, if you know the guy and buy in bulk, you can get some great deals. I pay $150 /oz for primo stuff, I doubt the govt matches that. There won't be discounts on bulk buying that's for sure. Keep it it illegal for all I care, I doubt I'll ever buy it from a store, there's just no point. It will be taxed all to hell and and I want to keep more of my money, so screw that. I've bought it illegally for 10+ years now, I will gladly keep doing so even if it becomes legal.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by peter12

Depends where you live. Black markets for cigarettes are flourishing across Canada. Bootlegging is still a vibrant profession in the North.

Would you agree that they are significantly reduced than what they were during prohibition.

Long story short, in order to get what you want (no kids using drugs), you'd have to change the biochemistry of humanity that triggers our desire for using substances to explore different states of mind. People have been doing it since the dawn of mankind.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by peter12

Clearly, people's opinions should change as they grow older, especially as they embrace a role of responsibility within their society. For me, marijuana is just a symptom of a mass cultural malaise that is having a greater, and more profound impact upon the social fabric of our democracies.

How dramatic lol, you sound like a smarter version of Helen Lovejoy. I guess we're already ####ed because that 'malaise' has been going strong for decades, or longer.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Izzle

I want to say its Doug Judy that said it, but I dont know. Could be someone else.

No it was random kid who was mad that the big dealers took his business.

"I can't sell drugs anymore, and I loved selling drugs. It was my dream job."

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

How dramatic lol, you sound like a smarter version of Helen Lovejoy. I guess we're already ####ed because that 'malaise' has been going strong for decades, or longer.

I'm thinking more of the rise of Trump, Sanders, the collapse of the middle class... etc...

[Coach]

Originally Posted by peter12

I'm thinking more of the rise of Trump, Sanders, the collapse of the middle class... etc...

If these are your gripes, and you believe marijuana use is just a symptom of larger problems, why do you care if it's legal or not? Shouldn't your focus be on what you think the underlying problems are?

[peter12]

Originally Posted by MattyC

If these are your gripes, and you believe marijuana use is just a symptom of larger problems, why do you care if it's legal or not? Shouldn't your focus be on what you think the underlying problems are?

Who said that I had any gripes?

[2Stonedbirds]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

Do corporations have the ability to patent and monopolize a plant?

Yes.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by peter12

Clearly, people's opinions should change as they grow older, especially as they embrace a role of responsibility within their society. For me, marijuana is just a symptom of a mass cultural malaise that is having a greater, and more profound impact upon the social fabric of our democracies.

Usually people grow wiser with age, but that's not always the case. More often people get more set in their ways, become more stubborn about things they are ignorant of and fear change. If you can sit here and tell me that weed is more harmful than alcohol, I don't think any rational person would call you a wise man.

Society hasn't studied marijuana nearly enough due to it being illegal. Many lies were spread by big corporations that were threatened by this drug in the 1920's. More than just drug companies. Hemp has many uses and threatened several industries. The more we know about it, the more we accept it as more than just a recreational drug.

Even if we accepted it as nothing more than a recreational drug, it's helping to keep people away from harmful drugs like alcohol, cigarettes and abusing prescription medication (which is easy to OD on).

How many celebrities have we lost lately because of prescription medication? Way too many. Meanwhile the biggest weed advocates Willie Nelson and Cheech n Chong are still going strong.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

Yes.

Are you stupid or thick? Or both?

[2Stonedbirds]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

Are you stupid or thick? Or both?

Thick where it counts sir.

And the point still stands. Companies can and do hold patents on plants. I just answered your question, calm your tits.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

Thick where it counts sir.

And the point still stands. Companies can and do hold patents on plants. I just answered your question, calm your tits.

A plant patent is granted by the Government to an inventor (or the inventor's heirs or assigns) who has invented or discovered and asexually reproduced a distinct and new variety of plant, other than a tuber propagated plant or a plant found in an uncultivated state.Aug 14, 2014

This means you could patent your own strain of weed that you've created (which has already been done with marijuana).

You can't patent an entire species that you didn't create or discover.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

To me the degrees are irrelevant in terms of impairment, its literally come down to next to zero tolerance for alcohol when it comes to operating a vehicle, should it not be similar for pot?

Should it not be similar for Neocitran and Percocet? People take all kinds of legal drugs that impair their ability to drive motor vehicles. It's impractical and unnecessary to set up roadside tests for all of them.

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Same with workplaces

Most workplaces already have policies around alcohol use. I'm sure pot would be covered by the same policies. Pot would also be covered by smoking regulations. Sorry, I don't see any reason to expect an increase in people getting stoned at the workplace. Sure, they could get stoned before they go in to work. But it's not as though there's anything stopping them from doing that now.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by peter12

Who said that I had any gripes?

You don't have a gripe with the legalization of marijuana? Seems like you do...

[rubecube]

I don't advocate for people to do drugs but the cluelessness of people who haven't done drugs, or more specifically haven't purchased drugs illegally really shines through in these debates. Some of you guys really need to ease off of the gritty cop shows and after school specials.

[AcGold]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

I kind of hope they don't legalize it. I've been a user since I was 19, and I've literally never had a problem tracking the stuff down. I bet there's 20,0000 weed dealers in Calgary alone, it's seriously not a problem to find it. In addition, if you know the guy and buy in bulk, you can get some great deals. I pay $150 /oz for primo stuff, I doubt the govt matches that. There won't be discounts on bulk buying that's for sure. Keep it it illegal for all I care, I doubt I'll ever buy it from a store, there's just no point. It will be taxed all to hell and and I want to keep more of my money, so screw that. I've bought it illegally for 10+ years now, I will gladly keep doing so even if it becomes legal.

I'm legal and it's way better.

-Government certified, never ever laced with any BS
-Don't have to sit in a creepy dudes car
-Never have to wonder if I'm getting screwed over
-Delivery by mail
-$8/gram
-World class quality organic sun grown
-No cloudiness, because the medical stuff is regulated it actually serves its medical purpose and you don't get cloudy or stoned

After being legal I'm never going back, there's no point even if it's slightly cheaper. Having zero anxiety, certifiable quality and mail delivery... the best.