Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[GGG]

Originally Posted by BlackArcher101

Did you come to this determination by watching The Last of Us?



Does anyone know if Oil Sands project capital spending has increased since UCP took over from the evil NDP?

Capital budgets are up significantly over the last 3 years. The price of Oil dictates this rather than the government. I’d argue that regulatory certainty from the federal liberals on the cost of Carbon in the next 10 years is a contributor as well as TMX coming online.

[flames_fan_down_under]

It’s funny how people think everyone should just be kissing the ring of O and G executives for granting us the privilege of existing within their world.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

“I personally despise the UCP Government but…” is such a fun phrase.

Just like "I'm not prejudiced but..." is a phrase that people use to convince others and themselves (mostly themselves) that their opinion is impartial and unbiased/bigoted.

[lucky1]

Originally Posted by flames_fan_down_under

It’s funny how people think everyone should just be kissing the ring of O and G executives for granting us the privilege of existing within their world.

not sure where that opinion comes from, but the cold hard truth of the matter is Alberta and her population won the lottery with having the O&G reserves that we were blessed with. Without this, we would be on the receiving end of the federal transfer payments for sure. Its very true that our current economy has done very well to date with diversification, but we would not be where we are without Oil and Gas

[lucky1]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

“I personally despise the UCP Government but…” is such a fun phrase.

Canadian Politics have devolved considerably in the past few years to either hard right or hard left Party's and/or policies, starting to approach the political divide witnessed in the USA - there are seemingly no decent choices for centrist ideologies anymore.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by lucky1

our two main cities are crumbling before our eye's due to the new 'woke' city councils that were installed last election, the last thing our province needs is this same ideology in the governing body. I personally despise the UCP Govt but refuse to vote for the NDP due to their BS that they brought in on the O&G sector when they were last in power. Oil prices cratering, lets bring in a Royalty review to further increase uncertainty in our main economic engine....or how about we go and hire a border line eco terrorist Tzeporah Berman to review current and upcoming Alberta Oil Sands projects, that sure seemed like a smart idea! not to mention the current NDP Shadow cabinet - Joe Ceci who was an epic failure as an Alderman, to be in charge of the provinces finances?? give me a break. There is no good choice for the upcoming election, but I know the one party I wont be voting for...

Good post.

[Inglewood Jack]

Originally Posted by nik-

Remember when the forum filtered D utter and Butter? Can we get that done for woke?

edit: it still filters the first one lol

it's fine, it's a good reminder to update your ignore list

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by lucky1

Calgary is a city built on the back of Oil and Gas - the very first thing our city council did was declare a symbolic 'Climate Emergency' w/no real actionable plan behind it - this was just a poke in the eye of the companies who put Calgary on the map. How about you sit down with the various oil and gas execs and talk about things before banging down the gavel on a climate emergency declaration...
A bit off course here, Jyoti was also very vocal in her opposition to the newly agreed arena proposal, the first chance she had she starts forcing a bunch of nonsenical crap like adding solar panels (never agreed to in the initial framework), or the widened boulevards/sidewalks and insisting that CSEC pay for them. This increased scope allowed CSEC to walk from the deal, which was a fatal mistake as CSEC was contractually obligated to cover cost over runs, which were building up due to Covid issues....
One thing I will give Jyoti credit for is raising the budgetary share for the police force, rather than defunding it like our prior adminstration tried to...

There is so much wrong with pretty much everything you've said, but the bolded is particularly laughable. If you watched the meeting for the initial arena vote Gondek was a LOUD supporter. But I'm sure it's easier to just digest and regurgitate misinformation from the likes of Corbella.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by lucky1

Canadian Politics have devolved considerably in the past few years to either hard right or hard left Party's and/or policies, starting to approach the political divide witnessed in the USA - there are seemingly no decent choices for centrist ideologies anymore.

Not sure if you haven't been paying attention, but the only thing that can be classified as 'hard' these days is the right, which has very much moved significantly further right. You can thank Trump for that.

And so you know - there is barely 'hard left' anymore. Liberals and ANDP are centrists, Democrats are right wing (compared to Canadian parties). The only thing that could be considered 'hard left' is the federal NDP - and they're veeeeeery different in policy than the ANDP.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by lucky1

Canadian Politics have devolved considerably in the past few years to either hard right or hard left Party's and/or policies, starting to approach the political divide witnessed in the USA - there are seemingly no decent choices for centrist ideologies anymore.

"hard left". Eye roll.

There is no more firmly centrist party than the Liberals, unless it's the provincial NDP.

[PsYcNeT]

"Centrist" on the internet seems to mostly mean "Socially Moderate", because none of these wonks seem to give a #### how much money right-wing governments are shoveling into the furnace on a daily basis.

[lucky1]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

"hard left". Eye roll.

There is no more firmly centrist party than the Liberals, unless it's the provincial NDP.

I would tend to agree with you until the Liberals entered into the Confidence and Supply Agreement with the NDP - we now have the NDP basically dictating Liberal Policy. Totally agree that the Liberal Party was designed to be a central party from the outset.
I think Rachael would destroy the UCP if she jettisoned the NDP moniker and hired some better political advisors, and maybe reworked her cabinet.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by lucky1

I would tend to agree with you until the Liberals entered into the Confidence and Supply Agreement with the NDP - we now have the NDP basically dictating Liberal Policy. Totally agree that the Liberal Party was designed to be a central party from the outset.
I think Rachael would destroy the UCP if she jettisoned the NDP moniker and hired some better political advisors, and maybe reworked her cabinet.

Tell me about all these "hard left" policies since the NDP-Liberal agreement. Dental care? Horrors.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by lucky1

Canadian Politics have devolved considerably in the past few years to either hard right or hard left Party's and/or policies, starting to approach the political divide witnessed in the USA - there are seemingly no decent choices for centrist ideologies anymore.

Who is the hard left party you speak of? What specific policies do you consider hard left that have been enacted? Should we go pull some Lougheed platforms and compare to the current platforms?

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by GGG

Who is the hard left party you speak of? What specific policies do you consider hard left that have been enacted?

The Alberta Communist Party.
Duh…

[Reggie Dunlop]

Former Alberta Justice Minister Jonathan Denis to face hearing for alleged professional misconduct



https://edmontonjournal.com/news/loc...nal-misconduct

[Ozy_Flame]

This "hard left" alibi is that "both sides, many sides" energy that conservatives use to justify their shift into far-right policies and having a scapegoat to scream about in order to deflect their descent.

There is no scaled "hard left" movement in Canada in nearly the same size and political gambit as the right.

[Minnie]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Lucky1 sounds like they know just enough about things to back up the narrative they have created in their head.

Lucky1 sounds like they're married to Springs1

[btimbit]

Like, I get it when people say that there isn't a party that supports their views. I guess I'm kinda in the same boat, a party that believes in small government, leans left on the same issues I do, and leans right on the same issues I do, doesn't exist

What I don't get is when those same people then have a hard time adjusting their vote to the party that's the closest overall. Especially because this time around, there really aren't any third options. The Alberta Party is back to the pre-Greg Clark days where it's completely irrelevant. The Alberta Liberal party is in the same boat right now, hell, both parties have such little interest in them that both of their leaders are in charge just because they're the only ones that even ran.

So why do some people have such a hard time actually sitting down, thinking about what their values are, and just finding the party that actually aligns closest with them? Use a political compass tool if that helps. But to sit here and think "Well, I acknowledge the UCP is the worst choice we've ever seen. But how could I possibly vote for the NDP?" is just asinine.

Unless you're the type of person that thinks healthcare should be private and the role of education is solely to create cheap obedient workers, why would anyone vote UCP? And that's ignoring the mountain of social issues.

Sorry for the rant about nothing, but thinking about the amount of people that vote against their own self interest is just insane to me.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Like, I get it when people say that there isn't a party that supports their views. I guess I'm kinda in the same boat, a party that believes in small government, leans left on the same issues I do, and leans right on the same issues I do, doesn't exist

What I don't get is when those same people then have a hard time adjusting their vote to the party that's the closest overall. Especially because this time around, there really aren't any third options. The Alberta Party is back to the pre-Greg Clark days where it's completely irrelevant. The Alberta Liberal party is in the same boat right now, hell, both parties have such little interest in them that both of their leaders are in charge just because they're the only ones that even ran.

So why do some people have such a hard time actually sitting down, thinking about what their values are, and just finding the party that actually aligns closest with them? Use a political compass tool if that helps. But to sit here and think "Well, I acknowledge the UCP is the worst choice we've ever seen. But how could I possibly vote for the NDP?" is just asinine.

Unless you're the type of person that thinks healthcare should be private and the role of education is solely to create cheap obedient workers, why would anyone vote UCP? And that's ignoring the mountain of social issues.

Sorry for the rant about nothing, but thinking about the amount of people that vote against their own self interest is just insane to me.

The problem is you're thinking about the election like an informed voter, which does not describe the vast majority of voters in this province. Most of them go as far as "Blue good, orange bad" and that's it