2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I don’t agree with this. Darryl isn’t nice to Salim because Darryl doesn’t respond well to criticism at all (and he almost never faces it). There should be criticism towards this team - it’s part of what the media should be bringing to the table. There should be some tougher questions thrown towards an organization that has seen this level of failure in the last two decades.

This organization just saw two franchise players bail on it in one season and the (local) media barely even batted an eye at it. They either wrote it off as American players not wanting to play here, or just moved on from it. Salim bringing a comment about the team (possibly) being cheap when it comes to how it treats its player is something that should be discussed. That stuff matters. The media outside of the market asked the question “what is going on in Calgary?” and Treliving came out firing and defended the market/city - well, if it wasn’t the market/the city - then could it be that the Flames don’t treat their players all that well? Could it be a disconnect with Darryl Sutter? Could it be the horrible prospect pool and general lack of success?

I admittedly haven’t read all of the posts around this closely

But I do see a lot of things listed that don’t include the obvious
- there was a pandemic affecting the last 2 years in terms of cross border travel
- both guys who left were American

Let’s face it, the last couple of years were different and there is no certainty about the next 8 being 100% return to pre pandemic normalcy

Maybe, just maybe, there was more to the decision than just the organization

I don’t know Salim or any agenda. And care less than I know, until such point as he has any insight of merit.

[Sec214]

Salim is a Oilers fan boy and gushes over the team when not on duty. Slurping up that stinky water and is just doing his time until Ryan moves on up north.

[bluejays]

Re: Salim, I don’t know what some guys here are on him about? He’s one of the few that have not been a team lackey from the start. He could have easily been a Jermaine Franklin type and ask softball questions to preserve his job and be cushy with the management team, but instead chooses to be critical where’s needed. Not sure where the ulterior motive theories about him come from but it reads here like wacko conspiracies. The “he doesn’t know the game” crowd, really? You think he didn’t earn a place at the table and TSN hired him without knowing anything about the sport? I’d rather not have a politician covering the team. He’s been fair given it would be so easy to do what the team wants. Daryl hasn’t done squat with the team this year. Any critique is more than fair.

[Monahammer]

Hold up now, Salim is not the only reporter who has made reference to the cheapness of the flames organization vis a vis players. This was brought up by multiple people during the Johnny and tkachuk negotiations as something the team would have to overcome to re-sign these players.

Wonder what exactly this is? Is it food/nutrition related? Has to be more than just extra Gatorade in the locker room. Doesn’t surprise me at all though given how much of a cheap b ownership is in all other visible senses.

[Jiggy]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Hold up now, Salim is not the only reporter who has made reference to the cheapness of the flames organization vis a vis players. This was brought up by multiple people during the Johnny and tkachuk negotiations as something the team would have to overcome to re-sign these players.

Wonder what exactly this is? Is it food/nutrition related? Has to be more than just extra Gatorade in the locker room. Doesn’t surprise me at all though given how much of a cheap b ownership is in all other visible senses.

I know a few people in the Flames organization. The players are spoiled. They get breakfast made for them at the Dome. On the road they get per diem, plus the team makes sure breakfast and lunch are provided for the players. The players like doing their own thing for dinner. All pro athletes are spoiled and if they complain they don't get enough free swag that fans pay hundreds of dollars for they can get lost.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Jiggy

I know a few people in the Flames organization. The players are spoiled. They get breakfast made for them at the Dome. On the road they get per diem, plus the team makes sure breakfast and lunch are provided for the players. The players like doing their own thing for dinner. All pro athletes are spoiled and if they complain they don't get enough free swag that fans pay hundreds of dollars for they can get lost.

Ok somaybe not food or nutrition related, but more details are needed. All I really meant was that Salim is not the only person who has said this, so to dismiss it and Slag him as just an oilers fan boy seems self defeating.

[Jiggy]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Ok somaybe not food or nutrition related, but more details are needed. All I really meant was that Salim is not the only person who has said this, so to dismiss it and Slag him as just an oilers fan boy seems self defeating.

I don't think Johnny thought the Flames were cheap. The red carpet was rolled out for him and his family when he was part of the organization. To a point where some of his teammates were getting annoyed with it.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Jiggy

I don't think Johnny thought the Flames were cheap. The red carpet was rolled out for him and his family when he was part of the organization. To a point where some of his teammates were getting annoyed with it.

Take it for whatever little it's worth, but I've enountered alternative takes.. that the Flames going back to the negotiations for his six year deal were penny-pinching in unflattering ways, things like making his family come into a super 8 motel, and just the general abuse of the no-offer-sheet leverage they had at that time, left a bad taste in Johnny's family's mouth, especially as he saw peers given 8 year deals and larger AAVs without being strongarmed.

[memphusk]

Oh no! Not a super 8. Hard times come and go but imagine having to stay at a super 8.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Jiggy

I know a few people in the Flames organization. The players are spoiled. They get breakfast made for them at the Dome. On the road they get per diem, plus the team makes sure breakfast and lunch are provided for the players. The players like doing their own thing for dinner. All pro athletes are spoiled and if they complain they don't get enough free swag that fans pay hundreds of dollars for they can get lost.

The question is if they are cheap relative to other teams , not if they are “spoiled” on your opinion

Per Diem is a CBA negotiated right, so that is consistent across every team and part of their employment agreement

The Flames are competing against every other NHL team for a small number of specialized employees . The small things do matter .

Now I have no clue where we ranked on the employment intangibles but having the oldest arena as a start would lead me to believe the facilities are in the bottom of the league , and if the team is looking to save costs elsewhere the combination could certainly leave them at a competitive disadvantage when attracting / retaining talent

[Jiggy]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

The question is if they are cheap relative to other teams , not if they are “spoiled” on your opinion

Per Diem is a CBA negotiated right, so that is consistent across every team and part of their employment agreement

The Flames are competing against every other NHL team for a small number of specialized employees . The small things do matter .

Now I have no clue where we ranked on the employment intangibles but having the oldest arena as a start would lead me to believe the facilities are in the bottom of the league , and if the team is looking to save costs elsewhere the combination could certainly leave them at a competitive disadvantage when attracting / retaining talent

I know per diem is a negotiated right, it has been for a long time. The team doesn't need to provide meals for the players who can't even make toast, but they do anyways.

I agree with the facilities being old and outdated, that's why the Flames want a new arena built. I don't understand how Salim can say the team is being cheap though. Pretty much just toss it out there with nothing to back it up. I bet he has very little inside knowledge of the Flames.

[Jiggy]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Take it for whatever little it's worth, but I've enountered alternative takes.. that the Flames going back to the negotiations for his six year deal were penny-pinching in unflattering ways, things like making his family come into a super 8 motel, and just the general abuse of the no-offer-sheet leverage they had at that time, left a bad taste in Johnny's family's mouth, especially as he saw peers given 8 year deals and larger AAVs without being strongarmed.

The Flames sent Conroy on a private jet to sign Johnny. And then that private jet flew Johnny and his family to Vancouver. But then a few years later they decided to put his family up in a Super 8? Even if they did, why would a multi millionaire not get a hotel for his family and expect the Flames to do so? Something doesn't add up.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by memphusk

Oh no! Not a super 8. Hard times come and go but imagine having to stay at a super 8.

And imagine your employer exercising their rights and trying to manage a cap situation to ice a competitive team. I guess some call shaving half a million a year off a $90 million contract “abuse”. Poor millionaire players, if only they had a union which negotiated their own rights…

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Jiggy

I know a few people in the Flames organization. The players are spoiled. They get breakfast made for them at the Dome. On the road they get per diem, plus the team makes sure breakfast and lunch are provided for the players. The players like doing their own thing for dinner. All pro athletes are spoiled and if they complain they don't get enough free swag that fans pay hundreds of dollars for they can get lost.

If so, the Flames are only doing what every other team does.

When I was a young employee, if we stayed late, we fending for dinner for ourselves and got our own way home.

Now, many years later, the young employees get paid diner and ubers/taxis home.

The difference? Supply and demand.. If we don't, some employees may go to our competitors. The market changed more than what was in actuality fairness.

Hockey players are no different.

[Jiggy]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

If so, the Flames are only doing what every other team does.

When I was a young employee, if we stayed late, we fending for dinner for ourselves and got our own way home.

Now, many years later, the young employees get paid diner and ubers/taxis home.

The difference? Supply and demand.. If we don't, some employees may go to our competitors. The market changed more than what was in actuality fairness.

Hockey players are no different.

Yes, I know that. I was responding to a poster who thought maybe the Flames cheeped out on nutrition, but they're doing more or the same as other teams.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Take it for whatever little it's worth, but I've enountered alternative takes.. that the Flames going back to the negotiations for his six year deal were penny-pinching in unflattering ways, things like making his family come into a super 8 motel, and just the general abuse of the no-offer-sheet leverage they had at that time, left a bad taste in Johnny's family's mouth, especially as he saw peers given 8 year deals and larger AAVs without being strongarmed.

It’s a double edged sword.

The Flames did have some leverage to exert during the 2015 negotiation and they should have 100% used it. That’s business.if Treliving isn’t using that leverage, he’s not doing his job.

If Gaudreau was harbouring any hard feelings from the previous negotiation, it only supports the narrative that he might be a bit immature. The penny pinching argument is completely at odds with Gaudreau leaving +$15M on the table to leave last summer, so I’m not buying the Flames being cheap on that front.

If the Flames anre considered cheap amongst the players, it could probably be attributed to facilities such as the arena and/or practice facilities. Then again, they didn’t seem to have sn issue with extending Huberdeau or Weegar. Kadri also came here for less than what he could have got from Columbus or the Islanders, I believe.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Jiggy

Yes, I know that. I was responding to a poster who thought maybe the Flames cheeped out on nutrition, but they're doing more or the same as other teams.

Then why are you questioning the fact that the players are treated like royalty?

You implied they can get lost.

The is a limited supply of great hockey players and huge demand.

It's why they are, in your words, "spoiled".

[SuperMatt18]

I disagree on the Salim criticisms, I think he's been fine.

IMO he's been asking the questions that he sees fans asking him on twitter (Phillips call up, line combinations, etc).

It's been stated in this thread already but the rest of the Flames media either dances around the tough questions, or just ask DB questions (Francis).

Darryl just doesn't seem to like that a media member would actually question decisions he's made.

[Jiggy]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Then why are you questioning the fact that the players are treated like royalty?

You implied they can get lost.

The is a limited supply of great hockey players and huge demand.

It's why they are, in your words, "spoiled".

I know players who currently play in the NHL, and have played in the NHL. All of them have mentioned "We get spoiled". Once they retire they almost have no idea on how to move on cause so much is done for them. Pro athletes in every sport are spoiled. So for Salim to say the Flames are cheap he should do a better job on explaining what he is talking about. But it's great to put it out there because you have no inside knowledge on the team and you might actually get some followers from it.

[Aarongavey]

https://www.tsn.ca/talent/nhl/salim-...2023-1.1899551

Interesting predictions, Treliving moving on to take over the Leafs, Sutter getting personnel control and Treliving making one last trade this year to try to position the Flames for a run.