Matthew Tkachuk & Johnny Gaudreau Signing Watch Thread

[McG]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I think you are confused. "Barlow" is a street in Calgary, and not a very nice one at that.

It does get “bash ups on Barlow” or “Barlow breakdowns” so there is that.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Scorp and I were messaging about this yesterday but I honestly don't really see a fit outside of New Jersey.

NYI - that offer isn't serious at $9M x 7

NJ - I think they could go as high as $11M but I don't see them going above $11M

Flyers - I think they would maybe go to $9.5 / $10M but not sure they could afford more than that.

Really NJ is the only team that can offer money and location.

Flyers he might be willing to take less if that is truly where his heart is...but $10-$16M is a lot of money to leave on the table.

That one is weird. I know that may be where his heart is, but that team is a tire fire at the moment and likely wont be competitive until Gaudreau is in the twilight of his career while still making big money.

Typically players dont want to be part of a rebuild at the tail-end of their careers, they want to be competing. Partly because losing sucks, but also because they want Cups and trophies and they dont really want to end their careers on losing notes.

And they even more rarely leave money on the table in order to do it.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Pat on 960 saying that a counter offer from Johnny's team has been made

Now, we just need an eyeballs tweet from Leslie and we'll be off to the races.

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[dino7c]

9.5 would be a "steal"
11 an "overpay"

It's 1.5M...one easily replaceable NHLer just do it. Even if it's bad in 5 years eat half and make a deadline deal. A million times better than losing him for nothing.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by nik-

If you can't come to a deal with your most valuable asset ahead of their FA year, you need to move him.

Right, because actually playing and winning hockey games is never a consideration. Having Gaudreau on the roster for his career year had zero value to the team.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

I wouldn't believe anything resembling a leak out of NYI.

I don't think you need to believe the leak but just looking at their cap situation - they can't offer that much without clearing cap. They've got to sign Dobson who will get a decent amount and Romanov who they just acquired.

They've only got $11m in cap space before those guys. They could move Varlamov or someone but they've made no indication they are going that way.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Locke

That one is weird. I know that may be where his heart is, but that team is a tire fire at the moment and likely wont be competitive until Gaudreau is in the twilight of his career while still making big money.

Typically players dont want to be part of a rebuild at the tail-end of their careers, they want to be competing. Partly because losing sucks, but also because they want Cups and trophies and they dont really want to end their careers on losing notes.

And they even more rarely leave money on the table in order to do it.

Philly is always weird though - they do have some decent pieces if Hart can find his game.

They had a good season in 19-20 and aren't too far removed from that.

Couturier, Konecny, Farabee, Hayes, Provorov, Sanheim aren't bad and are still good players. Guys like Frost, York, Brink, Gauthier, Tippett, Foerster have potential.

I think with a healthy roster, and Gaudreau added that they could be a playoff team.

But yeah not likely a top end contender.

[littlereddevil]

Originally Posted by dino7c

9.5 would be a "steal"
11 an "overpay"

It's 1.5M...one easily replaceable NHLer just do it. Even if it's bad in 5 years eat half and make a deadline deal. A million times better than losing him for nothing.

Exactly, when the Flames are paying over $10M for Coleman and Lucic, they shouldn't be fussing over a $1M difference in salary for one of their stars.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by littlereddevil

Exactly, when the Flames are paying over $10M for Coleman and Lucic, they shouldn't be fussing over a $1M difference in salary for one of their stars.

Lucic just has to go. I like him but that cap hit us just huge

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by dino7c

9.5 would be a "steal"
11 an "overpay"

It's 1.5M...one easily replaceable NHLer just do it. Even if it's bad in 5 years eat half and make a deadline deal. A million times better than losing him for nothing.

Exactly. Isn't that how much we were paying for Michael Stone's buyout? I'm sorry, but +/- $1.5M for a franchise player is not going to make or break an $80M+ salary structure.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

Exactly. Isn't that how much we were paying for Michael Stone's buyout? I'm sorry, but +/- $1.5M for a franchise player is not going to make or break an $80M+ salary structure.

Double that, because Tkachuk is very likely going to demand the same deal.

You know what they say: A million here, a million there, and pretty soon you're talking about real money.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Double that, because Tkachuk is very likely going to demand the same deal.

One at a time.

[Samonadreau]

assuming Gaudreau for 11 and Tkachuk fo 10, how much cap does that leave us?

[Locke]

I'm using my Johnny Jersey like Marty's Polaroid photo from 'Back To The Future 3.'

As I see the Jersey fade somewhat hope fades along with it, but as long as its in full colour then hope springs eternal!

[robertsfanatic]

Originally Posted by samonadreau

assuming gaudreau for 11 and tkachuk fo 10, how much cap does that leave us?

$5m

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Double that, because Tkachuk is very likely going to demand the same deal.

You know what they say: A million here, a million there, and pretty soon you're talking about real money.

We will cross that bridge when we get there. I'm sorry, but if $1.5M is what caused Johnny to walk, that will just be asinine.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by robertsfanatic

$5m

Byebye Looch

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Double that, because Tkachuk is very likely going to demand the same deal.

Tkachuk would be who we would look to deal to help bring some structure back to the cap, it would be tough to trade a player like him but you could get some good, young, cost controlled pieces back. Johnny proved he was the bigger piece to build around and the Flames should have no problem paying him an 8x11 if that’s what it takes.

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Originally Posted by samonadreau

assuming gaudreau for 11 and tkachuk fo 10, how much cap does that leave us?

5,012,500