2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Blaster86]

Laf apparently refuses to attempt to fix his skating or some strange ####. Kid has the hands for an elite player and the skating ability of a beer leaguer but won't fix it.

[yourbestfriend]

I think the Laf situation is similar to Bennett, some what similar players as well.
High draft pick not panning out and being mismanaged a bit. Unless Laf completely turns it around, his value will only go down the longer they hold onto him. Bennett ultimately got traded for 2 2nd's. Laf's value I would imagine would be a bit higher than that due to contract status etc etc, but not by much.

[1_Flames_Fan]

I thought LAF was a can't miss 1st overall pick. I don't imagine they will be giving him away.

[The Yen Man]

If Lafreniere's available, the Habs will probably overpay to get him.

[memphusk]

Main part in a Patrick Kane Deal.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by memphusk

Main part in a Patrick Kane Deal.

Bingo

[ComixZone]

Was interesting to hear Salim Valji, Kent Wilson and others hop on a Twitter space tonight and discuss the Flames season.

Salim made a comment about how we’d be surprised by what the team budgets/doesn’t cover (in reference to things that you’d think professional sports team would pay for). Didn’t really elaborate on it, but the conversation seemed to be around the Flames (maybe?) being a bit cheap in how it treats its players. They also talked how odd it is that Darryl was extended, but Treliving has yet to get an extension himself.

*found the recording, I’m going to re-listen*

https://twitter.com/i/spaces/1YpKkgpVaeXKj

[Toonage]

Salim has taken, for lack of better words, a lot of shots at coaching/management this season. While unlikely, I'd like him to just come clean with what he knows. Or thinks he knows.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Salim has taken, for lack of better words, a lot of shots at coaching/management this season. While unlikely, I'd like him to just come clean with what he knows. Or thinks he knows.

Our media really doesn’t do it much at all. Generally speaking, the media doesn’t question/doesn’t criticize the organization. You’ll see some media pile on players at times, but never really towards the organization as a whole.

I wish Salim would be a bit more direct, but I generally think it’s an access problem. I have to believe that the organization just won’t suffer criticism from the media - otherwise we would have seen more than what we’ve seen in the last oh…20 years.

I’d sooner see Salim be critical, even if vaguely so, than not at all.

There’s been plenty of talk around Huberdeau struggling to adapt etc., but where’s the discussion around the lack of young players on this roster? Where are the questions around the lack of draft picks in recent years? General lack of success as a whole? The media has always treated this team with white gloves…and, well…we’ve had no success, so why? How is it that no one in the media is even really acknowledging that Treliving is 6 months away from being gone (other than Salim now).

[Vedder]

Salim is from Edmonton so I’ll assume he’s a closet oilers fan until proven otherwise. He’s always dealing in vague inferences that make the team look bad and not a lot of tangible info. Darryl isn’t the kindest to him in the media room either so you wonder how that affects a guys outlook.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Vedder

Salim is from Edmonton so I’ll assume he’s a closet oilers fan until proven otherwise. He’s always dealing in vague inferences that make the team look bad and not a lot of tangible info. Darryl isn’t the kindest to him in the media room either so you wonder how that affects a guys outlook.

I don’t agree with this. Darryl isn’t nice to Salim because Darryl doesn’t respond well to criticism at all (and he almost never faces it). There should be criticism towards this team - it’s part of what the media should be bringing to the table. There should be some tougher questions thrown towards an organization that has seen this level of failure in the last two decades.

This organization just saw two franchise players bail on it in one season and the (local) media barely even batted an eye at it. They either wrote it off as American players not wanting to play here, or just moved on from it. Salim bringing a comment about the team (possibly) being cheap when it comes to how it treats its player is something that should be discussed. That stuff matters. The media outside of the market asked the question “what is going on in Calgary?” and Treliving came out firing and defended the market/city - well, if it wasn’t the market/the city - then could it be that the Flames don’t treat their players all that well? Could it be a disconnect with Darryl Sutter? Could it be the horrible prospect pool and general lack of success?

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Vedder

Salim is from Edmonton so I’ll assume he’s a closet oilers fan until proven otherwise. He’s always dealing in vague inferences that make the team look bad and not a lot of tangible info. Darryl isn’t the kindest to him in the media room either so you wonder how that affects a guys outlook.

Salim asks the questions serious Flames fans shoukd actually have for the organization, rather than fluff questions (The Field) or ###### questions (Francis). If he is an Oilers fan then he is doing a damn good job putting that aside.

Anyways, if Treliving is indeed out, we really have to look seriously at Botterill. Not only was he part of the 2015-17 Penguins management (which is a team far more in-line with how most championships are won today than the 2011-14 Kings) but his moves as a Sabre are starting to bear fruit, especially the ROR for Tage Thompson deal.

[FlamesAddiction]

Imagine if Darryl Sutter usurped another Flames GM? I realize it is unlikely, but you never know with this franchise. Honestly though, part of me has wondered if Treliving has an exit plan. He's a pretty ambitious and tried running a league in the past. The thought has crossed my mind that maybe he wants to move up to the league management level.

[ComixZone]

Another thing Salim says in that discussion is that Sutter’s style and demanding nature has worn thin with at least a couple of players (he even says “I can confirm” on that front) and that the way they communicate with their players should change.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Salam is the worst seems like TSN loves shoving Edmonton fan boys down our throat. Dustin Nielsen one of the most unprofessional individuals and just awful at his job

[Vedder]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I don’t agree with this. Darryl isn’t nice to Salim because Darryl doesn’t respond well to criticism at all (and he almost never faces it). There should be criticism towards this team - it’s part of what the media should be bringing to the table. There should be some tougher questions thrown towards an organization that has seen this level of failure in the last two decades.

This organization just saw two franchise players bail on it in one season and the (local) media barely even batted an eye at it. They either wrote it off as American players not wanting to play here, or just moved on from it. Salim bringing a comment about the team (possibly) being cheap when it comes to how it treats its player is something that should be discussed. That stuff matters. The media outside of the market asked the question “what is going on in Calgary?” and Treliving came out firing and defended the market/city - well, if it wasn’t the market/the city - then could it be that the Flames don’t treat their players all that well? Could it be a disconnect with Darryl Sutter? Could it be the horrible prospect pool and general lack of success?

I was only implying that Salim might not have the kindest view of the coach given how he treats him publicly. I don’t disagree that the Calgary media is a little too cozy with the team and management, but that’s sort of how it works in a market this size.

I also don’t think it’s a huge reach to think that Sutter played a role in the exit of Gaudreau and Tkachuk, but that core went through coaches like crazy, and Treliving concluded they needed to be pushed.

Anyway, I think Salim has whiffed on a couple of his insider comments. I’m not putting huge stock in his innuendo at this point.

Just one more point on this, a lot of players have made a point of talking about how well the Flames (and Treliving specifically) treat the players. Gaudreau’s family talked about it endlessly. The simplest answer might be the right one here, two American players wanted to play in the US.

[Tuco]

Salim struts around the Saddledome like he is some sort of celebrity. Jermaine Franklin is missed.

[GullFoss]

My early perception of Salim was that he didn't have a strong understanding of the game, structured questions poorly and had a strong "click bait" and "edgy" style to his reporting. Tuned him out early-on. I always figured Sutter's disdain for him reflected the above.

Watching press conferences, my perception is that Sutter is demanding of the media. It's not so much about being friendly vs critical. It's more about doing good, honest analysis and reporting.

[getbak]

Even with Jermaine, it was a common complaint that he would ask questions specifically to fit whatever narrative was being fed to him from Toronto. This seemed to get worse when Salim took over the beat.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I don’t agree with this. Darryl isn’t nice to Salim because Darryl doesn’t respond well to criticism at all (and he almost never faces it). There should be criticism towards this team - it’s part of what the media should be bringing to the table. There should be some tougher questions thrown towards an organization that has seen this level of failure in the last two decades.

This organization just saw two franchise players bail on it in one season and the (local) media barely even batted an eye at it. They either wrote it off as American players not wanting to play here, or just moved on from it. Salim bringing a comment about the team (possibly) being cheap when it comes to how it treats its player is something that should be discussed. That stuff matters. The media outside of the market asked the question “what is going on in Calgary?” and Treliving came out firing and defended the market/city - well, if it wasn’t the market/the city - then could it be that the Flames don’t treat their players all that well? Could it be a disconnect with Darryl Sutter? Could it be the horrible prospect pool and general lack of success?

I admittedly haven’t read all of the posts around this closely

But I do see a lot of things listed that don’t include the obvious
- there was a pandemic affecting the last 2 years in terms of cross border travel
- both guys who left were American

Let’s face it, the last couple of years were different and there is no certainty about the next 8 being 100% return to pre pandemic normalcy

Maybe, just maybe, there was more to the decision than just the organization