2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[memphusk]

Poor man's Sam Bennett.

[bigrangy]

Would rather go massively all in for Kane (for example) than send anything out for a half measure of a rental.

Full send or no send.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

Would rather go massively all in for Kane (for example) than send anything out for a half measure of a rental.

Full send or no send.

You would be OK with the 2023 1st and Coronato + going out for 1 year of Kane.

If we don't win the cup that would cripple our future.

It's a good thing he would never accept a trade to calgary

[dammage79]

Only way the Flames should be dealing for RW help is if they're cost controlled and much younger than the core. Flames don't have enough assets long term to keep bleeding youth for short term answers.

[Monahammer]

I think using coronato as an a+ trade chip might be the best move, but I'm 100% against moving the 2023 1st at this point.

[bigrangy]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

You would be OK with the 2023 1st and Coronato + going out for 1 year of Kane.

If we don't win the cup that would cripple our future.

It's a good thing he would never accept a trade to calgary

Would rather do it than trade a 3rd for a pointless rental.

Would rather do neither at least now with how this team is looking.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I think using coronato as an a+ trade chip might be the best move, but I'm 100% against moving the 2023 1st at this point.

The pick needs to stay. There should be some Gems in the late teens early 20's in this draft.

I hope the situation is that Coranato signs and plays this season and playoffs. I think this is a year to see what you got. Adding more new players on a 1 year basis just doesn't seem worth it.

[Leeman4Gilmour]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I'm beginning to really think about the prospect of the Flames trading for Max Domi to put on Huberdeau's opposite wing. He's not the same calibre of player but in some aspects he reminds me of Cammalleri ... good speed, strong build, can really shoot the puck. But he's also a lot meaner.

Hubey-Dube-Do

Low hanging fruit.

[Psytic]

Coronato may grow into the cost controlled finisher they need. I dont think it makes sense to keep making short term trades and re-drafting and re-developing and resetting the timeline on prospects. The Flames can kind of parallel the Jets and Dallas and be just fine. They have multiple grey beards taking up huge chunks of their cap. I think its safe to say that Huberdeau and Kadri will still be productive when they are as old as Benn or Seguin and Wheeler. All it takes is one or two young guys to supplement like a Connor, Hintz or Robertson and your golden. Teams aren't screwed once their star players hit 30 these days if they draft well.


If Kylington comes back to stabilize the defence and one of Coronato, Pelletier or Zary is given a real chance to play and are a hit I think they are in very good shape. Just stay the course and draft some more hits like they did with Rasmus and Johnny etc. sacrificing picks or nearly fully developed prospects to get a rental is just going to ensure that they bottom out eventually and and in painful fashion. I doubt they get out of the second round either way. They need more cost controlled performers not less.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Psytic

I think its safe to say that Huberdeau and Kadri will still be productive when they are as old as Benn or Seguin ....

Huberdeau is one year younger than Seguin, Kadri one year younger than Benn.

We better hope they don't age like those guys have.

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Huberdeau is one year younger than Seguin, Kadri one year younger than Benn.

We better hope they don't age like those guys have.

Hasn't hurt them having those guys under perform to their boat anchor contracts is what I mean. Hasnt hurt the Jets having Wheeler at his advanced age either. I dont necessarily think a gun is to the Flames head over the next 3 yrs I think Huby's game ages well as a high end support piece. Flames just need one piece to hit on the front that thinks the game on Huberdeau's level and can finish. Another stabilizing piece on the backend or Kylington. They seem to pull a top line player out of almost every draft recently. I think the outlook is good if they hang onto their picks and prospects and pull a couple cost controlled players.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Psytic

Hasn't hurt them having those guys under perform to their boat anchor contracts is what I mean. Hasnt hurt the Jets having Wheeler at his advanced age either. I dont necessarily think a gun is to the Flames head over the next 3 yrs I think Huby's game ages well as a high end support piece. Flames just need one piece to hit on the front that thinks the game on Huberdeau's level and can finish. Another stabilizing piece on the backend or Kylington. They seem to pull a top line player out of almost every draft recently. I think the outlook is good if they hang onto their picks and prospects and pull a couple cost controlled players.

Neither team has won squat, so it's hard to say it hasn't hurt them. And both teams have had a resurgence this year, so its pretty small sample size.

And Dallas getting some premium players in unexpected positions is what has saved them.

I hadn't realised that Calgary has pulled "a top line player" out of each draft recently? Where are they?

Oh, down on the farm hoping to reach their potential I guess. There is a difference between being a top line player and potentially being a top line player. Neither Pelltier nor Coronato are considered elite prospects. Now, they may reach the status of a first line player, they do have skill. But it's a long way from calling them "first line players".

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by memphusk

Poor man's Sam Bennett.

I always thought (actual) Bennett was a poor man's (potential) Bennett.

[sureLoss]

Athletic has an article up suggesting Lafreniere may be reaching a critical point with the Rangers. If he continues to struggle, we will hear lots of rumors about him in the upcoming year.

https://theathletic.com/4042117/2022...shared_article

About 13 months ago, Gallant had Lafrenière playing fourth-line minutes in an attempt to grab the 2020 No. 1 pick’s attention. It worked. Lafrenière had 11 goals over his last 35 games and then the sort of postseason that reminded everyone why he was the top pick two years earlier. Coming into the final season of his entry-level deal in 2022-23 and coming off an impactful playoff run, the Rangers — and probably the rest of the NHL — assumed the 21-year-old was about to break out.

Now 36 games into his third season, the team and the league are still waiting.

“He doesn’t seem to accomplish much out there with or without the puck,” said one NHL scout whose coverage area includes the Rangers. “When you watch him play it’s hard to find him out there, has little impact on the outcome. I don’t know if it’s lack of confidence but his processing seems a little bit of a step behind.”

The Rangers obviously still believe that Lafrenière can be the player who was a no-doubt No. 1 pick after three outstanding seasons with Rimouski in the Quebec League, two QMJHL MVP awards, and a World Junior MVP award after leading Canada to gold in his draft season.

But there seems to be some disconnect between the player the Rangers hoped Lafrenière would be and the player he is right now. Tim Stützle was selected two picks after Lafrenière in 2020 and went to a Senators team that had lots of room for improvement and for a top-six center to grow. Even as the Senators have bumbled their way through Stützle’s first two-plus NHL seasons, he’s established himself as a go-to player in Ottawa and a big part of the Sens’ future — the team signed him to an eight-year extension worth $8.35-million per that kicks in next season.

“When you watch (Ottawa) play, you notice (Stützle,)” said an Eastern Conference executive who was granted anonymity because he’s not authorized to comment publicly on other teams’ players. “Can’t say the same about (Lafrenière).” Stützle has 29 points in 30 games this season for the Senators while leading all Ottawa forwards in ice time at 20:09 per game. He plays in all situations. Lafrenière has 17 points in 36 games while playing 15:01 a game and getting scraps of power play time.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I don't think Domi's value is nearly that high. Carolina got him basically for free at last year's deadline. Two seconds would be absurd, frankly.

I think you could probably get him for a mid-round pick. He's on a one-year deal and there are still concerns about his defence and consistency. But I think he also ticks a lot of boxes.

Any team that gives up 2x2nd for Domi this year is making a huge mistake. Giving up a 3rd? I think that'd be reasonable. He can keep up.

I had Domi in mind as well. But I think you might be light on what it will take. It really depends on if it's a buyer's or seller's market this year. But player wise I think he's a good target. Suspect it will take something involving one 2nd to land him though.

[Mitch]

Lafreniere is also a healthy scratch tonight. Would love if the flames took a shot at him should he become available.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Mitch

Lafreniere is also a healthy scratch tonight. Would love if the flames took a shot at him should he become available.

He will still command a high price. Either NYR will use him as trade capital to bring in a missing piece, ask for a similar struggling young player (none come to mind immediately) or a package of picks/prospects.
Or save him for an eventual offer to McDavid when he demands a trade this summer.

I don't think the Flames have the required pieces.

NYR's re-build has gone pretty well considering neither AF or Kakko have worked out well to this point.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I had Domi in mind as well. But I think you might be light on what it will take. It really depends on if it's a buyer's or seller's market this year. But player wise I think he's a good target. Suspect it will take something involving one 2nd to land him though.

I just look at what happened less than one calendar year ago ... Domi had a slightly worse year in Columbus but it ended up having to be a three-team trade, with Columbus actually giving up the only pick in the deal. All they got back was Aidan Hreschuk, who doesn't look like much of a prospect at all. Then Domi only got a one-year deal in UFA.

Has his value really recovered to the point where he's already worth a 2nd again just nine months later?

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I don't think Domi's value is nearly that high. Carolina got him basically for free at last year's deadline. Two seconds would be absurd, frankly.

I think you could probably get him for a mid-round pick. He's on a one-year deal and there are still concerns about his defence and consistency. But I think he also ticks a lot of boxes.

Any team that gives up 2x2nd for Domi this year is making a huge mistake. Giving up a 3rd? I think that'd be reasonable. He can keep up.

Yeah I think you are light there Scorp. He is on a 27 goal pace, you're not getting a rental like that for a third. Last year a 3rd round pick got you Justin Braun or Nicolas Deslauriers.

We'll see how he plays for the next 2 months though. Seems like it is often a seller's market.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I just look at what happened less than one calendar year ago ... Domi had a slightly worse year in Columbus but it ended up having to be a three-team trade, with Columbus actually giving up the only pick in the deal. All they got back was Aidan Hreschuk, who doesn't look like much of a prospect at all. Then Domi only got a one-year deal in UFA.

Has his value really recovered to the point where he's already worth a 2nd again just nine months later?

Not sure. Depends on what other forwards are available. But part of what makes him a more attractive asset his time is his contract is much smaller, so that should open up more teams to be interested in him. His 5M+ salary last time (even on an expiring deal) limited the demand.

So yes I think he's worth more now than last deadline.