2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I wouldn't trade Brodie for a 1st + 2 2nds, as was suggested on the previous page. Not only is that well below market value for a player of Brodie's calibre, production, and skill, but it also doesn't make any sense from a hockey perspective -- Brett Kulak is not very good and I doubt he'd improve any in a top-4 role.

Geez I dunno. With the depth Calgary has in defensive prospects I think you consider it to re-fill the picks cupboard that's bare, particularly if that 1st is within the top 15 overall.

Honestly this may be unpopular but my belief is that defense is similar as goaltending in that the more icetime a player gets the better they play but in a borderline exponential fashion. Any dman that gets a crapton of icetime always looks amazing in comparison to when they slot in the 5/6. Example...I think Stone could fill in a top 4 spot and play really well, where as a 5/6 guy he looks worse than he really is. If you can get 3 relatively higher picks for Brodie I think you need to really look hard at that.

Calgary has Valimaki and Fox, both excellent D prospects I'd like to see them retain instead of Brodie.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Any dman that gets a crapton of icetime always looks amazing in comparison to when they slot in the 5/6.

That theory has certainly worked out well for the Oilers.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

That theory has certainly worked out well for the Oilers.

haha touche!

[ComixZone]

Nm

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Since Brodie is a much better player than Larsson, the return would have to be a much better player than Hall. I mean hey, if Jack Eichel is on the tabel, I do that trade.

The returns people want for TJ brodie are just an example of how people ignore how defensively and offensively poor our team is as a team factoring in forward groups. Brodie'd be a superstar on a team like Boston or Pittsburgh.

There's no way you can prove TJ would be a 'superstar' in Boston or Pittsburgh. Pure folly.

Every player, every situation is different. You, nor any of us, can say such things with any amount of certainty. There are many examples of talented players not succeeding in situations many thought they might.

If TJ got traded and continued to play to the level he is now, I don't think it would matter much, he would still leave you wanting for more. Bottom line, he's not providing this team with the value he is capable of. He is underperforming.

If anything the team I think TJ would be best suited for would be Tampa. It's rumoured they are looking for a D. If the Flames could flip TJ for Tyler Johnson, I would think long & hard if I were treliving and hockey ops. I doubt TJ goes anywhere before the summer. At some point the Flames will have to move a top 4 D & I think TJ is the most likely to move.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

The only dmen that are even remotely likely to be traded within the next calander year are Stone and Bartkowski.

Nobody wants Bartkowski and he's a UFA so it's essentially just Stone.

- Hamilton is the foundation of our defence moving forward
- Gio isn't going anywhere
- Hamonic was just acquired and wants to stay in western Canada
- Hamonic was acquired to play with Brodie so until Valimaki or Kulak can play top 4 minutes you can't move Brodie

Andersson can replace Stone because Kulak is playing great and if an injury occurs in the top 4 I think Kulak is beginning to show he can fill in.

The one hitch in all this is if you could get a guy like Marner for Brodie I think you need to seriously consider it.

I really like our defence and goaltending depth in the NHL and in the system but our forward depth, especially RHed ones, leaves much to be desired.

Leafs aren't trading Marner for Brodie.

Would the Flames have traded Sam Bennett, half way through his second year in the league. for a 27 year old second pairing D?

It's not even a conversation.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Leafs aren't trading Marner for Brodie.

Would the Flames have traded Sam Bennett, half way through his second year in the league. for a 27 year old second pairing D?

It's not even a conversation.

Especially seeing Marner has shown a helluva lot more than Bennett in his short time in the NHL. I don't see the Leafs moving any of Marner, Nylander, or Matthews, those are core pieces.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by TOfan

If TJ got traded and continued to play to the level he is now, I don't think it would matter much, he would still leave you wanting for more. Bottom line, he's not providing this team with the value he is capable of. He is underperforming.

His cap hit is $4,650,400.

Based on this number, he is providing this team with value in spades.

[sureLoss]

Blues rumored to be in discussions for Hoffman and Brassard. Writer covers the Blues for nhl.com

http://lkorac10.blogspot.ca/2018/02/...in-strong.html

According to a source, the Blues and Ottawa Senators have been engaged in serious discussion regarding two of the Senators' forwards, right wing Mike Hoffman and in the recent past few days, center Derick Brassard.

The source said if the Blues are able to consummate a deal, it would be either one or the other and not a packaged deal.

Among the names believed to be in the mix going to the Senators are forwards Vladimir Sobotka and Patrik Berglund

According to the same source, Robby Fabbri's name has also been mentioned as a candidate for trade, and reports have said the Senators requested to look at Fabbri's medical records on his surgically-repaired knee, which has been operated on two times.

[Calgary4LIfe]

This team would implode if they move one of the top 4 D out. Nobody on the roster is ready to step up and see more minutes and against better competition. Flames FINALLY have 3 defensive pairings that are working well and being effective. People actually want to disrupt that right now? Defence is the backbone of this team presently, especially with the lack of depth scoring. Flames are NOT going to out-score their way out of defensive issues.

The Brodie-Hamonic pairing has been great for a long while now. All three pairings have been rather good. Why mess it up? Maybe in the off-season you look at making a move there, but unless something extraordinary is offered, if I was Treliving I wouldn't even be taking calls on my D.

I think Brodie is probably the most dynamic defencemen that the Flames have, and every game he makes really smart defensive plays that somehow nobody talks about here. They look for his mistakes, and then those become the focus. Look at any defencemen for the Flames and see what mistakes they make. It may surprise some here. The only real 'rock' the Flames have defensively is Giordano, and even he makes a blunder or two at times.

Gulutzan needs to find a way to incorporate the D on the attack a bit more. 3 out of the top 4 are really strong 2-way defencemen, Kulak is a bit more green but is obviously of the same ilk, and I argue that even Hamonic and Stone can contribute more offensively (especially given that they have both contributed well before in their careers before coming to Calgary).

This is a huge strength for Calgary. It just doesn't seem to be getting utilized enough. Maybe Gulutzan has tried and it has resulted in sloppy defensive coverage. I don't know... but if I am Gulutzan, I am looking for an opportunity to get some talented players engaged in the attack.

[ComixZone]

Adding Hoffman and Brassard would be a pretty big play for St. Louis.

[Husky]

I imagine the flames dealing for a player not on anyones radar like Nick Bjugstad. Now behind barkov and Trochek.

Move him to rw.

[Husky]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

This team would implode if they move one of the top 4 D out. Nobody on the roster is ready to step up and see more minutes and against better competition. Flames FINALLY have 3 defensive pairings that are working well and being effective. People actually want to disrupt that right now? Defence is the backbone of this team presently, especially with the lack of depth scoring. Flames are NOT going to out-score their way out of defensive issues.

The Brodie-Hamonic pairing has been great for a long while now. All three pairings have been rather good. Why mess it up? Maybe in the off-season you look at making a move there, but unless something extraordinary is offered, if I was Treliving I wouldn't even be taking calls on my D.

I think Brodie is probably the most dynamic defencemen that the Flames have, and every game he makes really smart defensive plays that somehow nobody talks about here. They look for his mistakes, and then those become the focus. Look at any defencemen for the Flames and see what mistakes they make. It may surprise some here. The only real 'rock' the Flames have defensively is Giordano, and even he makes a blunder or two at times.

Gulutzan needs to find a way to incorporate the D on the attack a bit more. 3 out of the top 4 are really strong 2-way defencemen, Kulak is a bit more green but is obviously of the same ilk, and I argue that even Hamonic and Stone can contribute more offensively (especially given that they have both contributed well before in their careers before coming to Calgary).

This is a huge strength for Calgary. It just doesn't seem to be getting utilized enough. Maybe Gulutzan has tried and it has resulted in sloppy defensive coverage. I don't know... but if I am Gulutzan, I am looking for an opportunity to get some talented players engaged in the attack.

100% agree.

[albertGQ]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Adding Hoffman and Brassard would be a pretty big play for St. Louis.

It’s Hoffman or Brassard. Not both.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

His cap hit is $4,650,400.

Based on this number, he is providing this team with value in spades.

Not sure why you're bringing money into the conversation. Money should follow performance. I'm more interested in his hockey ability than what he's getting paid at hone moment.

Professional hockey players should be held to the standard they set for themselves. Brodie has shown he can be a dynamic player, yet we see this very seldom. If he played consistently to the level we have seen him play to, he's a 6-7 million player. Why he doesn't play to that level, who knows.

We know Brodie is better than the value of his pay cheque. He seems to be playing down to it. Or maybe Brodie's just one of those guys who doesn't live & breathe hockey. Supremely gifted, but at the end of the day, just doesn't care that much.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

This team would implode if they move one of the top 4 D out. Nobody on the roster is ready to step up and see more minutes and against better competition. Flames FINALLY have 3 defensive pairings that are working well and being effective. People actually want to disrupt that right now? Defence is the backbone of this team presently, especially with the lack of depth scoring. Flames are NOT going to out-score their way out of defensive issues.

The Brodie-Hamonic pairing has been great for a long while now. All three pairings have been rather good. Why mess it up? Maybe in the off-season you look at making a move there, but unless something extraordinary is offered, if I was Treliving I wouldn't even be taking calls on my D.

I think Brodie is probably the most dynamic defencemen that the Flames have, and every game he makes really smart defensive plays that somehow nobody talks about here. They look for his mistakes, and then those become the focus. Look at any defencemen for the Flames and see what mistakes they make. It may surprise some here. The only real 'rock' the Flames have defensively is Giordano, and even he makes a blunder or two at times.

Gulutzan needs to find a way to incorporate the D on the attack a bit more. 3 out of the top 4 are really strong 2-way defencemen, Kulak is a bit more green but is obviously of the same ilk, and I argue that even Hamonic and Stone can contribute more offensively (especially given that they have both contributed well before in their careers before coming to Calgary).

This is a huge strength for Calgary. It just doesn't seem to be getting utilized enough. Maybe Gulutzan has tried and it has resulted in sloppy defensive coverage. I don't know... but if I am Gulutzan, I am looking for an opportunity to get some talented players engaged in the attack.

Agreed. I don't think the Flames are moving a D. During the summer, I think they will. They either need to move a D to create room for Anderson/Kylington/ or maybe even Valimaki.

That, of they need to move Anderson/Kylington or Fox for either picks or forward prospects of equal value if they choose to stay with the current D core. The Flames need to address there organizational logjam on D eventually.

[TheIronMaiden]

As per the trading a D man debate. I would argue that Kulak is a stronger candidate to be moved that any one else. young D men hold a lot of value, and the Flames can easily replace his minutes with a farm hand.

If I had to guess I would say that Kulak and Hathaway are in play over any other roster player.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

As per the trading a D man debate. I would argue that Kulak is a stronger candidate to be moved that any one else. young D men hold a lot of value, and the Flames can easily replace his minutes with a farm hand.

If I had to guess I would say that Kulak and Hathaway are in play over any other roster player.

I respect your opininon but completly disagree about Kulak. He is exactly the kind of player we need to keep. If he keeps developong he could provide amazing value contract/production wise.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Husky

I imagine the flames dealing for a player not on anyones radar like Nick Bjugstad. Now behind barkov and Trochek.

Move him to rw.

That would be frickin amazing.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I think Brodie is probably the most dynamic defencemen that the Flames have, and every game he makes really smart defensive plays that somehow nobody talks about here.

Nobody talks about them because they don't happen. What they talk about is the brutal turnovers in his own end that lead to goals against because it happens on a nightly basis. In a season where the Flames goalie is having a borderline Vezina season and he plays with an excellent defensive partner he is a -9. Over the past two years he is -25. He skates really well and he can make a good outlet pass but he is a nightmare in his own zone and under pressure makes very bad decisions with the puck. To say otherwise is pure denial.