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Old 10-25-2024, 07:59 AM   #781
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Montreal adds Xhekaj. Dach isn't worth more than a 2nd regardless of his draft pedigree. Montreal adds more if they want retention.
Getting a Dman back as part of the deal would be great. I would be into a deal like that it gives the Flames full control of their 2025 draft board with most likely 3 1st round picks assuming the Devils and Panthers picks convey this year. They would add a 6’4 220lb 23 year old right shot C albeit with injury issues but still upside to be a 2C down the road. If they get WiFi on top of that who is scrappy and brings some solid toughness who is also 23 and 6’4 over 200lbs.

I am not sure would that Han’s give that much youth up for a 28 year old? Doesn’t make sense to me but I would be all for it and toss in Pelletier to give some French youth back
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If this were the basis of a deal:

Andersson for Dach+flames 1st. What else do the Habs add? A 2nd?

Flames could retain 50% or take other cap dumps back for more assets
Call me crazy, but if the Habs wanted Andersson that badly I am wanting Reinbacher and that 1st you mentioned.

Have to give me a reason to accept it. The Habs would be great with Andersson.
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Old 10-25-2024, 08:02 AM   #783
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Montreal adds Xhekaj. Dach isn't worth more than a 2nd regardless of his draft pedigree. Montreal adds more if they want retention.
Really comes down to where you think that Flames 1st lands now. I still think Montreal will get Florida's 1st but if Conroy thinks it will edge outside the top ten pick then getting it back would be worth it. I don't think Montreal would trade it on the outside chance it becomes the 2nd overall.
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Call me crazy, but if the Habs wanted Andersson that badly I am wanting Reinbacher and that 1st you mentioned.

Have to give me a reason to accept it. The Habs would be great with Andersson.
You're crazy haha. The comparables are the 1st Chychrun trade and Hronek.
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Old 10-25-2024, 08:09 AM   #785
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David Littman of NHL traderumors suggests the following 8 centers as possible Flames' targets:

-Kirby Dach
-Martin Necas
-Jesperi Kotkaniemi
-Barrett Hayton
-Trevor Zegras
-Marco Rossi
-Peyton Krebs
-Joe Veleno

We've discussed most of these already.
Of that list, gimme Hayton or Rossi.

But I really doubt either is available.

Other than maybe Necas, pass on the rest. Let's just draft a couple.
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Old 10-25-2024, 08:29 AM   #786
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If Andersson wants to re-sign, then I would go that route. He's likely a better player for the next 8 years than whoever we'd get in a trade. If he wants out, well then I guess you take the best deal on the table - which my guess would be an A prospect and a 1st.
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You're crazy haha. The comparables are the 1st Chychrun trade and Hronek.
I’d argue Andersson has been playing much better than them. It’s no secret Chychrun has been meh lately and Hronek hasn’t exactly played like the top pairing defenseman he should be. Both very inconsistent players. One could argue Andersson might be a little inconsistent, but he only had one bad year, which was last year. He’s been nothing but great this season and looks to fetch a good return if we do decide to sell him at the deadline. The 1st we’d get back is likely a late 1st anyway if Florida plays well, so reinbacher would need to be the guy to seal the deal. Otherwise why even bother?
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Montreal isn’t even a good trading partner, they’re still working on their own holes. I’d rather go with a team that is willing to part with a top end forward prospect.
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Old 10-25-2024, 08:40 AM   #789
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With the Flames having Huberdeau (31 6 more years after this) Weegar (turning 31 6 more years after this), Kadri (34 4 more years after this) I just don’t think adding Andersson to that list makes any sense.

This team needs to be looking/hoping for long term big money deals coming in the next 2-5 years being their young players and not someone who will be 30-38 for the big money deal.

If Andersson keeps this level up but the team starts to slide in the standings his value at 50% retained would be by far the best of all the Flames veteran rebuild chips.
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I’d argue Andersson has been playing much better than them. It’s no secret Chychrun has been meh lately and Hronek hasn’t exactly played like the top pairing defenseman he should be. Both very inconsistent players. One could argue Andersson might be a little inconsistent, but he only had one bad year, which was last year. He’s been nothing but great this season and looks to fetch a good return if we do decide to sell him at the deadline. The 1st we’d get back is likely a late 1st anyway if Florida plays well, so reinbacher would need to be the guy to seal the deal. Otherwise why even bother?
Why bother? Because you can't let him go UFA. But there is time. I think getting Reinbacher and a first is never going to happen. I don't think you'd get Reinbacher alone, as elite prospects just aren't traded for essentially rentals.

Now Andersson is off to a spectacular star for sure, but his past suggest he won't keep this leval up. He a good steady dman but has never been considered a star player. But if he can keep up this level of play, his worth could be through the roof. But I would suggest that means additional picks, not a premium elite prospect.
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I count four...

McDavid
Marner
Rantanen
Eichel

I think the 2003 draft was better. Can't argue with McDavid being the best player though
Kaprisov
Connor
Aho

Are all pretty certain to get 1,000 on current pace. Connor will have a pretty obscene goal total too.

Then you have Konecny and Barzal who have a chance depending on longevity.
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17 stars?

What's the bar for a star, because it seems that it may be a bit low.
If he's getting 17 from 2015 (I think I got 13 or 14), then trying to use that same bar, I'm coming up with about 23 from 2003.
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I would be cool with a Rasmus for Tij Iginla trade however it got done.

What would be even cooler is the trade tree. Sending over a player we drafted with the 2nd Round Pick in return for Curtis Glencross, former linemate of Jarome Iginla.
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I would be cool with a Rasmus for Tij Iginla trade however it got done.

What would be even cooler is the trade tree. Sending over a player we drafted with the 2nd Round Pick in return for Curtis Glencross, former linemate of Jarome Iginla.

I am pretty sure that was the Beartschi second
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I am pretty sure that was the Beartschi second
Correct
The Glencross pick was traded to Boston in the Hamilton deal
Which was used to pick Jeremy Lauzon
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I’d argue Andersson has been playing much better than them. It’s no secret Chychrun has been meh lately and Hronek hasn’t exactly played like the top pairing defenseman he should be. Both very inconsistent players. One could argue Andersson might be a little inconsistent, but he only had one bad year, which was last year. He’s been nothing but great this season and looks to fetch a good return if we do decide to sell him at the deadline. The 1st we’d get back is likely a late 1st anyway if Florida plays well, so reinbacher would need to be the guy to seal the deal. Otherwise why even bother?
Chychrun and Hronek returned top 15 picks. Andersson will have more value now. If the Flames wait too long they will get a Hanifin return and if Reinbacher level prospect is the target then that is what will happen.
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If Andersson wants to re-sign, then I would go that route. He's likely a better player for the next 8 years than whoever we'd get in a trade. If he wants out, well then I guess you take the best deal on the table - which my guess would be an A prospect and a 1st.
He's gotta go. Love him, great player, but you just drafted and traded for your 2 top RHD slots. You can't block one off for the next decade.

Anderson's number was up as soon as they chose Zayne over Zeev.
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To MTL:
Anderson
Pelletier

To CGY:
Hage
2025 CGY/FLA 1st
I love this, but see if we can get a little more, like Ben Merrill or Owen Beck. Maybe eat salary (Dvorak or Savard) and send them Vladar to shore up their crease.
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Mtl definitely adds to that.

Hage is being over valued. Andersson is by far the best piece in that trade and Pelletier can still be an nhler.
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Mtl isnt moving Hage. He's tearing it up in college in his freshman year, die hard Habs fan growing up as well, which shouldnt really move the needle but after the draft coverage on him and his family I'd be shocked if they moved him
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