I think it's time Treliving starts taking some serious heat

[JerryUnderscore]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Back OT, Treliving has been as solid a GM as any out there right now.

There's a very short list of people I'd rather have in charge of this team.

David Poile, Ken Holland, Stan Bowman or Steve Yzerman are the only ones I could think of and they're all maybes at best.

Treliving has been very solid overall.

[Enoch Root]

When the Flames were looking at hiring a new GM, there were two primary candidates on almost everyone's list:

Jim Nill
Jim Benning

Burke hired a guy few of us had heard of instead, by the name of Brad Treliving.

After hearing about Treliving, and hearing him speak, I was happy with the decision, but still would have preferred Nill.

Looking back now, all I can say is thank fricking God! Way to go Burky!

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

When the Flames were looking at hiring a new GM, there were two primary candidates on almost everyone's list:

Jim Nill
Jim Benning

Burke hired a guy few of us had heard of instead, by the name of Brad Treliving.

After hearing about Treliving, and hearing him speak, I was happy with the decision, but still would have preferred Nill.

Looking back now, all I can say is thank fricking God! Way to go Burky!

Pretty sure Nill was in Dallas when Burke was searching for his guy. I remember
Nieuwndyk was heavily rumored as a candidate

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Pretty sure Nill was in Dallas when Burke was searching for his guy. I remember
Nieuwndyk was heavily rumored as a candidate

Yes, by the time they were in the full hiring process, Nill was already in Dallas.

But leading up to that, until Dallas hired him, he was the top candidate out there, and just about everybody's first choice. That is what I meant.

[bigrangy]

The issue with the Granlund trade isn't the trade itself. The Flames traded a guy that wasn't in the future plans for a guy who had top-6 upside. You make that trade every day of the week.

Unfortunately, I don't think the Flames expected Granlund to become a full time NHLer, nevermind being a near 20 goal scorer (even if it is a lucky season). I don't think that Brad makes that trade if he thinks Granlund had this sort of play in him.

Also, Shinkaruk looks like a flop at this point. I don't know whether that's on him or on the joke of a development system that the Flames have or even a bit of both. Brad must have thought that Shinkaruk would have an NHL future, otherwise why trade for him? So in this trade, the Flames organization has (at least so far) got their scouting reports wrong on two players. Obviously, there's still a lot of time left in both guys' careers but this trade seem to have missed its mark.

Regardless, Treliving still needs to be re-signed. He learns from his mistakes and isn't too stubborn to fix them when he's given the opportunity. Hopefully he can move out Brouwer this summer, replace him with a legitimate top 6 option, and have the team much better prepared for the 1st game of next year.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

The issue with the Granlund trade isn't the trade itself. The Flames traded a guy that wasn't in the future plans for a guy who had top-6 upside. You make that trade every day of the week.

Unfortunately, I don't think the Flames expected Granlund to become a full time NHLer, nevermind being a near 20 goal scorer (even if it is a lucky season). I don't think that Brad makes that trade if he thinks Granlund had this sort of play in him.

Also, Shinkaruk looks like a flop at this point. I don't know whether that's on him or on the joke of a development system that the Flames have or even a bit of both. Brad must have thought that Shinkaruk would have an NHL future, otherwise why trade for him? So in this trade, the Flames organization has (at least so far) got their scouting reports wrong on two players. Obviously, there's still a lot of time left in both guys' careers but this trade seem to have missed its mark.

Regardless, Treliving still needs to be re-signed. He learns from his mistakes and isn't too stubborn to fix them when he's given the opportunity. Hopefully he can move out Brouwer this summer, replace him with a legitimate top 6 option, and have the team much better prepared for the 1st game of next year.

Granlund is a full time NHLer on arguably the worst roster in the NHL.

[David Struch]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

Hopefully he can move out Brouwer this summer, replace him with a legitimate top 6 option, and have the team much better prepared for the 1st game of next year.

I would think that's the furthest thing from Treliving's mind. It's only the first year of Brouwer's four year deal. Hopefully he'll activate warrior mode during this years playoffs. Gulutzan must like him too, Troy is an alternate Captain and also plays on the 1st power play unit.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

The issue with the Granlund trade isn't the trade itself. The Flames traded a guy that wasn't in the future plans for a guy who had top-6 upside. You make that trade every day of the week.

Unfortunately, I don't think the Flames expected Granlund to become a full time NHLer, nevermind being a near 20 goal scorer (even if it is a lucky season). I don't think that Brad makes that trade if he thinks Granlund had this sort of play in him.

Also, Shinkaruk looks like a flop at this point. I don't know whether that's on him or on the joke of a development system that the Flames have or even a bit of both. Brad must have thought that Shinkaruk would have an NHL future, otherwise why trade for him? So in this trade, the Flames organization has (at least so far) got their scouting reports wrong on two players. Obviously, there's still a lot of time left in both guys' careers but this trade seem to have missed its mark.

Regardless, Treliving still needs to be re-signed. He learns from his mistakes and isn't too stubborn to fix them when he's given the opportunity. Hopefully he can move out Brouwer this summer, replace him with a legitimate top 6 option, and have the team much better prepared for the 1st game of next year.

Granlund didn't have a place on the team. He wouldn't have been a top 6 player here and I think you can find more effective players for the bottom 6. 32 points on a weak Vancouver team where he is getting top 6 ice time and PP time doesn't make me lose any sleep.

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Granlund didn't have a place on the team. He wouldn't have been a top 6 player here and I think you can find more effective players for the bottom 6. 32 points on a weak Vancouver team where he is getting top 6 ice time and PP time doesn't make me lose any sleep.

Even Rico Fata managed to get 16 goals & 32 points one season when he played top 6 on a Pittsburgh team which was tanking to get Crosby (the 'Skid for Syd'). Did that make him a top 6 NHL forward? Hell no, he was in Europe 2 seasons later.

With Backlund, Monahan, Bennett and Stajan here last season there was no way Granlund would ever play C in the top 9 for the Flames. Flipping him for a winger with similar value was a good deal. If the Flames depth was as bad as Vancouver's then I bet a Hunter Shinkaruk playing top 6 minutes would pop 20 goals or so too. If we hadn't drafted Tkachuk (thanks again Vancouver) there's a chance Shinkaruk would have made the team and done exactly that.

[smiggy77]

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[Boreal]

Originally Posted by FlameZilla

Even Rico Fata managed to get 16 goals & 32 points one season when he played top 6 on a Pittsburgh team which was tanking to get Crosby (the 'Skid for Syd'). Did that make him a top 6 NHL forward? Hell no, he was in Europe 2 seasons later.

With Backlund, Monahan, Bennett and Stajan here last season there was no way Granlund would ever play C in the top 9 for the Flames. Flipping him for a winger with similar value was a good deal. If the Flames depth was as bad as Vancouver's then I bet a Hunter Shinkaruk playing top 6 minutes would pop 20 goals or so too. If we hadn't drafted Tkachuk (thanks again Vancouver) there's a chance Shinkaruk would have made the team and done exactly that.

What are you talking about. They won a lottery. Skid for Syd? Use your brain & check facts. If they were trying to lose it was to get Ovechkin & they ended up with Malkin.

The modern version of the Penguins are not the Oilers.