10-18-2010, 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by PyramidsofMars
You are such a joke. Every stat I've mentioned in this thread is from Statscan surveys [look them up], which is also where the initial joke of a stat comes from. Selective belief of the same freaking source? Really?
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I don't see why you just can't link us to said surveys. A lot of people here are on limited time and, while interested in the subject, don't have the ability to sift through the internet for a single survey or two.
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10-18-2010, 04:40 PM
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#62
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Originally Posted by kirant
I don't see why you just can't link us to said surveys. A lot of people here are on limited time and, while interested in the subject, don't have the ability to sift through the internet for a single survey or two.
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They obviously don't exist. POM has endless time to devote to posting the same ridiculous claims over and over again, but somehow no time to find these surveys - surveys that apparently don't really support his most dubious assertion in the first place.
I could make the claim that 100% of men are potential rapists. 100% of women are potential thieves. 100% of children are potential terrorists. 100% of dogs are potential shoe-chewers. 100% of philosophy students are potential self-touchers. Why not, "potential" is a guess dressed up as an argument - it doesn't really lend itself to proof in any meaningful way until that potential is actually realized.
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10-18-2010, 06:41 PM
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How could Canadian men have any time to fill out surveys when they're all busy raping?
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10-18-2010, 09:27 PM
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#64
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Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kirant
I don't see why you just can't link us to said surveys. A lot of people here are on limited time and, while interested in the subject, don't have the ability to sift through the internet for a single survey or two.
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A simple google search tells me he got all of his stats from this site: http://www.womanabuseprevention.com/...l_assault.html
It looks completely unbiased... (/sarcasm) although most of the "stats" are from nearly 30 years ago and NOT from StatsCan.
Anyway, I guess everyone is free to have their opinion. Sorry about derailing this thread so badly.
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10-19-2010, 12:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale
The thing with the USA though, is that you're an American first and a whereveryoucamefrom second. In Canada it's the other way round, which is where I have a problem.
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At it's root, this is a similar comment to the one HOZ made earlier in the thread.
Having lived in the US for over 10 years now in two different midwestern cities, I can tell you that I meet people who claim just the opposite. The people I meet reflexively point out that they are "half Irish" or "Italian American" or "Polish descent" etc...
Of the people I know, the "XXX-American" responders far outnumber those that say they're flat out "American." And this is the midwest, where the stereotype is to assume it is a more hearty, "American" bunch.
I'd be curious to know where in the US you and HOZ have been living / spending lots of time. It seems to diverge significantly from my personal experience. Are we talking down South? Or are you experiencing this type of perspective on the coasts?
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10-19-2010, 12:36 AM
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#66
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Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PyramidsofMars
A lot of men, a LOT of men, hate women. I mean, literally if you walk out on the street and look at three men, chances are two of them are at the very least potential rapists.
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Out of Captain Crunch, Fotze and Puckluck, who is the non-rapist?
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10-19-2010, 02:53 AM
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Originally Posted by IliketoPuck
Out of Captain Crunch, Fotze and Puckluck, who is the non-rapist?
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That's easy....same guy as the rapee.
Captain Crunch and Fotze even sound like rapists names.
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10-19-2010, 04:56 AM
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Originally Posted by jammies
They obviously don't exist. POM has endless time to devote to posting the same ridiculous claims over and over again, but somehow no time to find these surveys - surveys that apparently don't really support his most dubious assertion in the first place.
I could make the claim that 100% of men are potential rapists. 100% of women are potential thieves. 100% of children are potential terrorists. 100% of dogs are potential shoe-chewers. 100% of philosophy students are potential self-touchers. Why not, "potential" is a guess dressed up as an argument - it doesn't really lend itself to proof in any meaningful way until that potential is actually realized.
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Yyyyeeess.
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10-19-2010, 06:20 AM
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Really, it does seem awfully naive to think that you could have an indigenous population occupying an area then move a whole bunch of very different people into that area and expect them to coexist happily and without conflict.
I think one big difference between why multiculturalism works so well in Canada and why it doesn't work as well in many European countries is that in Canada we've already contained and marginalized the indigenous people so that basically everyone is pretty new and nobody feels their place is being intruded upon.
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10-19-2010, 06:33 AM
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double post...
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Last edited by JohnnyB; 10-19-2010 at 09:20 AM.
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10-19-2010, 10:29 PM
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Location: California
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I think a big thing to look at the success of any immigration program is the 2nd generation of immigrants. For example Nenshi appears to be as Canadian as anyone else. As are most of the other children of immigrants who were 5 or younger when they came here. So if after one generation people have integrated into society while retaining aspects of their culture then multi-culturism is working (or is this a melting pot).
I think the issue in France with the Muslim pop is that the children of immigrants are being raised as immigrants and not as citizens of the country. Other than skin colour and maybe different holidays or religious practices you shouldn't be able to tell the difference between children born to immigrants and children born to multi generational canadian families. (aside from being far harder working)
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10-20-2010, 08:18 AM
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So.... what do you call a Canadian that has immigrated to the States? Or an American that has immigrated to Canada?
An Americanadian?
A Canadamerican?
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10-20-2010, 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by HeartsOfFire
So.... what do you call a Canadian that has immigrated to the States? Or an American that has immigrated to Canada?
An Americanadian?
A Canadamerican?
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10-20-2010, 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Zevo
That's easy....same guy as the rapee.
Captain Crunch and Fotze even sound like rapists names.
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What the . . .
Ok fine its me
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10-20-2010, 09:38 AM
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#75
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PyramidsofMars
You're a lawyer. Surely you know that deliberately misrepresenting an opponent's viewpoint is no way to approach a discussion.
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When your opponents viewpoint is as asinine as yours it's probably a bad choice. It probably would have been better to let you blather on about potential rapists and continue to look like a fool. Although exposing the motivations behind your absurd claims has helped make them look even more ridiculous.
Last edited by valo403; 10-20-2010 at 09:40 AM.
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10-20-2010, 09:57 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HeartsOfFire
So.... what do you call a Canadian that has immigrated to the States? Or an American that has immigrated to Canada?
An Americanadian?
A Canadamerican?
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Canadians moving to the US almost always still identify as Canadians. Its one of the very few groups who have a self-identity they choose not to hyphenate when immigrating to the melting-pot US of A.
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10-20-2010, 10:21 AM
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#77
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Originally Posted by bizaro86
Canadians moving to the US almost always still identify as Canadians. Its one of the very few groups who have a self-identity they choose not to hyphenate when immigrating to the melting-pot US of A.
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I don't know about one of the very few. Most of the people I know who reside in the US but were born elsewhere identify with their homeland. They're not Hatian-Americans, they're Hatians etc. I don't know where people get the idea that it's so vastly different in the US than it is in Canada. I've lived in a couple very different parts of the US, and the experience is no different than living in Calgary in this regard.
Last edited by valo403; 10-20-2010 at 11:00 AM.
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10-20-2010, 10:37 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: CGY
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.
I'd be curious to know where in the US you and HOZ have been living / spending lots of time. It seems to diverge significantly from my personal experience. Are we talking down South? Or are you experiencing this type of perspective on the coasts?
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I've never lived in the states. It was simply the impression I got from visits and the media. Thanks for clearing that up for me.
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