Dealing with Cats

[IliketoPuck]

Originally Posted by GreenTeaFrapp

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There is a distinct difference between pests that carry disease (rats/mice/etc.) and house pets. You seem so anxious to prove you own self-righteous opinion that you aren't really making arguments that justify your position.

You continue to harp on the child example, when all it was meant to be was an illustration of a similar situation. Clearly a human life and the life of a pet is different, I've never contested that fact. Merely stated that I agree the world is a dangerous place, and even with best efforts to protect what you love, things can happen that are outside your realm of control.

What is within another persons realm of control is whether or not to decide to use lethal means deliberately to kill a pet, when there is a clear humane solution. I am not defending the people in the OP's decision to let their cats roam I think it is irresponsible of them. But as another poster noted, it isn't the cats fault they are allowed outside, and it isn't their fault that they are instictually doing what is natural for them. If the people with the cat issue want it fixed, there are ways to make animal leave the property, and encourage them to not return. (a big dog, a couple good shots from the water hose.)

If you read my posts as carefully as your partitioned responses indicate you do, then you would understand that I keep my pets indoors, but even with my best intentions to keep them there, and keep them safe, life happens and they might at some point manage to get out of the house. If there is some jackoff putting out anti freeze and my cat drinks it and dies, then he might "accidently" find that his car has sugar in its gas tank.

[GreenTeaFrapp]

Originally Posted by IliketoPuck

There is a distinct difference between pests that carry disease (rats/mice/etc.) and house pets. You seem so anxious to prove you own self-righteous opinion that you aren't really making arguments that justify your position.

Cats can carry disease also. You didn't differentiate between house pets and pests. You stated that people shouldn't put out poison for animals.

You continue to harp on the child example, when all it was meant to be was an illustration of a similar situation. Clearly a human life and the life of a pet is different, I've never contested that fact. Merely stated that I agree the world is a dangerous place, and even with best efforts to protect what you love, things can happen that are outside your realm of control.

But it isn't a similar situation at all. Letting kids ride their bikes is an expected behaviour for humans. Letting indoor pets outside is not an expected behaviour. You shouldn't expect your kid to die while riding their bike but you can expect the possibility of your indoor cat not coming back if you let it out.

What is within another persons realm of control is whether or not to decide to use lethal means deliberately to kill a pet, when there is a clear humane solution. I am not defending the people in the OP's decision to let their cats roam I think it is irresponsible of them. But as another poster noted, it isn't the cats fault they are allowed outside, and it isn't their fault that they are instictually doing what is natural for them. If the people with the cat issue want it fixed, there are ways to make animal leave the property, and encourage them to not return. (a big dog, a couple good shots from the water hose.)

But what if the big dog kills the cat? Are you going to go over and beat up the dog owner because of that?

But what if the neighbour doesn't want a dog nor have the free time to stand around with the hose waiting for the cat to come back?

An unwanted animal on your property is a pest. Doesn't matter if it is a rat, a cat or a snake.

If you read my posts as carefully as your partitioned responses indicate you do, then you would understand that I keep my pets indoors, but even with my best intentions to keep them there, and keep them safe, life happens and they might at some point manage to get out of the house. If there is some jackoff putting out anti freeze and my cat drinks it and dies, then he might "accidently" find that his car has sugar in its gas tank.

In your scenario your issue is with the pet owner who couldn't keep their pets out of their neighbours' yards. If not for his irresponsible behaviour, your car wouldn't be drinking any antifreeze.

But why do you whine about the vigilante behaviour of putting antifreeze out but see no problem with your own vigilante behaviour to get even? Shouldn't you just go to the police to deal with the manner?

[IliketoPuck]

I give up. There is absolutely no reasoning with you.

The logic of deliberately poisoning a house pet vs. a humane method seems to just go right over your head.

Instead of focusing on the argument I'm really advocating, you continue to nitpick.

I would absolutely get the police and bylaw officers involved, I'm not going to go to jail for someone else being a cold blooded jerk, regardless of how much I would love to get some retribution. The problem is people like you who don't see anything wrong with leaving poison out for house pets.

[SeeBass]

My mother- in -law uses butter container lids. She puts thumbtacks through them and buries them in the flower beds.

The cat doesnt get hurt, it just gets a little prick and it stays out of the area.

A person would never get hurt unless they were barefoot in the flower bed.

[4X4]

Originally Posted by IliketoPuck

I give up. There is absolutely no reasoning with you.

The logic of deliberately poisoning a house pet vs. a humane method seems to just go right over your head.

Instead of focusing on the argument I'm really advocating, you continue to nitpick.

I would absolutely get the police and bylaw officers involved, I'm not going to go to jail for someone else being a cold blooded jerk, regardless of how much I would love to get some retribution. The problem is people like you who don't see anything wrong with leaving poison out for house pets.

How about if these terrified (lol) neighbours knocked on the door of the cat owner, and told them that they were going to fill a bird bath with antifreeze, and the rest is their problem? Fair warning, no?

[IliketoPuck]

Sure why not....what a ridiculous thread.

If anything, this has made me want to be even more careful of not letting my cats out because there are apparently a lot of sick people out there..

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by IliketoPuck

The problem is people like you who don't see anything wrong with leaving poison out for house pets.

There in lies the problem. If the cat is in your home/your backyard, I wouldn't do a thing to it. If it ventures into my yard and craps in my garden/kids sandbox/flowerpot, my 22/anti-freeze/trap 'n' ride gets involved. It's no longer a house pet when it's not controlled by its owner.

Besides, IMO, cats are for chicks and the weak.

[The Yen Man]

I think a good garden hose soaking would do the trick. If not, bring out the pressure washer. That outta teach the buggers.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

I think a good garden hose soaking would do the trick. If not, bring out the pressure washer. That outta teach the buggers.

Have you ever tried hosing a cat. It's very difficult. You would first have to gain their trust and then turn on them. Now how would that make them feel?

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

Have you ever tried hosing a cat. It's very difficult. You would first have to gain their trust and then turn on them. Now how would that make them feel?

All you have to do is leave the sprayer attachment on and the water cranked all the way up. If you can aim decently for a second you should have one pretty wet. When they try and climb the fence to escape you can pick them off with the stream.

[The Yen Man]

I've never had to deal with any cat problems before, so honestly, I wouldn't know how hard it is to hose one. I just assumed it'd be easy. But I guess you're right. I'd imagine it'd be like trying to hose a rabbit. Those buggers run pretty quick.

[IliketoPuck]

Or you could just poison them the humane way.

[The Yen Man]

You could, but where's the fun in that?

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by IliketoPuck

Or you could just poison them the humane way.

A fall trap with a big flat rock and some kibble would be cheaper. Anti-freeze is $15 a gallon.

[IliketoPuck]

You're right, it is probably best to make them suffer the most possible for crapping in a flower bed.

You know what is for chicks? Caring about your flowerbed/garden.

[return to the red]

You wouldn't allow your neighbors to wander around your property and do what they wish. Why do cat owners feel it's their right to allow their cats out and wander wherever they see fit?

[DownhillGoat]

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[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by GreenTeaFrapp

A cat dying is not even close to the tragedy of a child dying. They are not comparable situations.



Because I like to quote exactly what I'm responding to. It makes it easier for people to read.



Those dogs shouldn't have been there either. If your so-called humane solution doesn't solve the problem, then you've got to solve it yourself. And if their owners really loved them they wouldn't allow them to venture into dangerous situations such as a neighbour's yard where it is known they are not welcome.



So you're against putting out poison for mice and rats then?

I wish we could use your methods on people like yourself.

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by IliketoPuck

You know what is for chicks? Caring about your flowerbed/garden.

Dealing with your wife/kid who finds cat crap in their flowerbeds/garden/sandbox sucks.

Dudes that own cats = usually weird and/or still live with their mothers.

[GreenTeaFrapp]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I wish we could use your methods on people like yourself.

Why don't you go eat a burger and simmer down?