Muslims have nothing to apologize for

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

No not all Muslims beat their wife but, it is a tenant of their faith. Whereas there is nothing within the Jewish faith instructing them to beat their wife.

If you want an argument how about this one: What we call Muslim extremists are in fact Muslim fundamentalists. They are simply obeying their Prophet's teaching and following the example he set. Yes The Catholic church many centuries ago did authorize Holy wars but, the simularity ends there. The Christian's holy book and its founder didn't call for Holy war and Jesus certainly didn't leave that example to be followed. Furthermore the excess of that particular church was short lived. The Muslim religion on the other hand has conducted Holy wars since their foundation. The only difference is today they are faced with a more advanced army and have chosen to lower themselves to terrorism even at the expense of Muslim lives.

Well done. Things go much better when we wrap the world up in a narrative that we want to believe in.

quod erat demonstrandum

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

Well done. Things go much better when we wrap the world up in a narrative that we want to believe in.

quod erat demonstrandum

I notice you tend be critical of the construction of posts you don't like. Is it because you lack the ability to offer a creditable rebutal of the substance of our posts? Or are you so sure your world view is right that you believe it is self evident?

Perhaps you should follow the example of some of your peers on here and just label any politically incorrect opinion as either "racist" or from someone who has a "_____phobia".

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by Bownesian

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...errorists.html

In that poll (taken weeks after the 7/7 bombings), 6% of the Muslims polled said that the London Tube Bombings were justified; 24% have sympathy with the bomber's motives. (526 British Muslim adults surveyed). This is not the only poll of its kind in the UK and those represent huge numbers of people and not the fractional minority that it is politically correct to pretend.

I doubt that a poll of people who call themselves "environmentalists" would support the sour gas pipeline bombings in such numbers, nor would Catholics be in support for the shielding of pedophile priests in such numbers. Because of this, I think that the OP's reasoning is specious.

I also doubt the numbers in Canada would be so high but they were alarming to me at the time. I *am* fearful of a large group of people who believe that western societies should be changed (forcefully or peacefully) into Islamic states because I have traveled in some of those countries. For a time in history, those states were cosmopolitan centres of learning and science but now they are brutal, backwards, misogynistic and despotic despite great resource wealth.

You are a racist Islamaphobe who throws puppies into rivers!

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

I notice you tend be critical of the construction of posts you don't like. Is it because you lack the ability to offer a creditable rebutal of the substance of our posts? Or are you so sure your world view is right that you believe it is self evident?

I'm critical of us using self-constructed narratives to rationalize what we feel.

Here's an offer: Anytime you're hungry and want a good meal, PM me and I'll give you the address of my parent's home. They'll feed you a great meal. While you're there, you can discuss with them your view of the muslim world / religion / etc... and they'll be happy to talk to you. Tell my dad about beating my mother and how it's a tenant of his faith. Tell them about your worldview of religions. Heck, I'll even fly down to join you during dinner.

I guarantee you'll leave well fed, but rather embarrassed.

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Perhaps you should follow the example of some of your peers on here and just label any politically incorrect opinion as either "racist" or from someone who has a "_____phobia".

Sorry, I don't engage in that silliness.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

I'm critical of us using self-constructed narratives to rationalize what we feel.

Here's an offer: Anytime you're hungry and want a good meal, PM me and I'll give you the address of my parent's home. They'll feed you a great meal. While you're there, you can discuss with them your view of the muslim world / religion / etc... and they'll be happy to talk to you. Tell my dad about beating my mother and how it's a tenant of his faith. Tell them about your worldview of religions. Heck, I'll even fly down to join you during dinner.

I guarantee you'll leave well fed, but rather embarrassed.



Sorry, I don't engage in that silliness.

Be careful that you don't start engaging in counter-narratives. The West does face a threat from radical Islamists. We, surely, are one of the reasons for creating the conditions for their existence, but that doesn't justify their actions in the least.

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

I'm critical of us using self-constructed narratives to rationalize what we feel.

Here's an offer: Anytime you're hungry and want a good meal, PM me and I'll give you the address of my parent's home. They'll feed you a great meal. While you're there, you can discuss with them your view of the muslim world / religion / etc... and they'll be happy to talk to you. Tell my dad about beating my mother and how it's a tenant of his faith. Tell them about your worldview of religions. Heck, I'll even fly down to join you during dinner.

I guarantee you'll leave well fed, but rather embarrassed.

Why would I be embarrassed because I found some friendly, gracious people who happen to be Muslim? The percentage of zealots in any religion are relatively small compared to the majority. Most people of all ilks want to be likeable.

Within the Christian religion there is a call to witness to others proclaiming the gospel. Among other things that message includes that Jesus is the only way to God and without Him man is doomed to hell. Most Christians don't witness at all and those who do often limit the message or understate it. Many if not a majority of those professing to be Christians don't believe in parts of the scriptures. Many doubt the existance of hell or that Jesus is the only way to Heaven or God. They will do this and still see themselves as fundamental Christians. Whereas true fundamental Christians believe all the word of God; even the unpopular parts.

Your parents probably embrace all the good they see in the Koran and ignore or rationalize the rest. They are probably representative of the majority within this country and other countries not under Muslim law.

The difference between fundamental Christianity and fundamental Islam is that forced conversion is not part of our Holy book. Also our God doesn't require His followers to go to war for him. He fights and wins His own battles.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

No not all Muslims beat their wife but, it is a tenant of their faith. Whereas there is nothing within the Jewish faith instructing them to beat their wife.

Nah, they whip singers who perform for mixed audiences.

http://www.jpost.com/Home/Article.aspx?id=186154

Everyone's a critic.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

On that thought, when did you stop beating your wife?

That is a dumb comment...I see you are making stuff up about posters, is there some reason why you picked me? I found many posts in this thread that support what mines says. Do you understand what a perception is? Do you have trouble reading? I have posted something very simple and even followed up to clear things up, yet you still attack me? The explanation for why you typed this is equally silly.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by flylock shox

Hmmm...

Well, since the whole exchange leading up to this confuses me (and appears to have a lot of backstory) I'll just keep out of this particular back-and-forth.

Nope, no back-story. One person just went on the attack and a buddy stepped in to help him. Otherwise, I posted nothing rude, wrong or even controversial. As far as I know, I could be wrong. But since they did not specify what they were angered at it was hard to tell.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Nah, they whip singers to perform for mixed audiences.
http://www.jpost.com/Home/Article.aspx?id=186154
Everyone's a critic.

Alright, I will be the first Jew to condemn this stupid group. What a bunch of twits. I don't even understand the jurisdiction of the rabbi in this case, since when can they decide what should be punished? Makes no sense to me.

[HPLovecraft]

My girlfriend's Muslim and she beats me. Regularly. As she prays. Save me!

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

My girlfriend's Muslim and she beats me. Regularly. As she prays. Save me!

No way man. Now I think of it, the only thing hotter than S&M, is Muslim S&M. I may need to rethink my position on Islam in light of this revelation.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Your parents probably embrace all the good they see in the Koran and ignore or rationalize the rest. They are probably representative of the majority within this country and other countries not under Muslim law.

The alternate explanation is that you know much about Christianity but not much about Islam.

[sclitheroe]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

The difference between fundamental Christianity and fundamental Islam is that forced conversion is not part of our Holy book. Also our God doesn't require His followers to go to war for him. He fights and wins His own battles.

There is no need for forced conversion to Islam, we were all born Muslim, don’t you know: http://www.islam101.com/dawah/newBorn.htm

http://www.islamicnetwork.com/index....e_born_muslim/