Dylan and Pepper Resign From CJAY

[oxygen]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Stang

There was one called "X" or something in Victoria. When I was there a few years back it was pretty decent. But I fully agree with the comments about Sonic. By far the best commercial radio I have ever listened to. Unfortunately I often forget to tune to it because I am so used to that good old "aux" setting these days.

I'll throw in my suggestion for best commercial radio station I have listened to: 107.7 The End Seattle

http://www.1077theend.com/

I'm not sure if it's available on satellitte radio, so it really only helps people that listen to radio online.

[worth]

Originally Posted by greyshep

Apparently this was a planned stunt...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WFYV-FM

"It was later revealed that Gregg Stepp had already given his notice and had taken a new job in Bakersfield, California. Management asked him to create a bit that would bring some attention to the station before announcing the return of "The Greaseman" to the Jacksonville airwaves a couple weeks later."

I wonder if that gave them the kind of attention they were looking for? I suppose he was going for the whole, no such thing as bad press idea.

[browna]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Music, like any other art form, is about taste. There is no right or wrong opinion.

Disagree. The folks at the Onion have it right:

[Prototype]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

CJAY has never been the same since The Champ and Sergio the Master Baker left the morning show.

So when Rodger Rhodes left?

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

Did you even read my post? I asked you eight specific questions which you ignored.

Addressed when I pointed out that these bands understand their demographic. It's called commercial rock for a reason, and these bands are successful at offering the public what it wants. You might be hung up on form but you, simply, are in the minority. There's nothing wrong with that at all, it is simply a matter of personal taste.

You can wax poetic all you want about artistic merit - it is still just you attempting to claim your personal opinion as fact. And that argument makes about as much sense as claiming a Big Mac isn't a hamburger because Loungeburger's offerings are better and tastier.

[Jimmy Stang]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

You can wax poetic all you want about artistic merit - it is still just you attempting to claim your personal opinion as fact. And that argument makes about as much sense as claiming a Big Mac isn't a hamburger because Loungeburger's offerings are better and tastier.

Wax Poetic? Now that's a band that you'll never hear on mainstream radio.

[DownhillGoat]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

because Loungeburger's offerings are better and tastier.

Mmmmmmmm..... loungeburger.

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

You can wax poetic all you want about artistic merit - it is still just you attempting to claim your personal opinion as fact. And that argument makes about as much sense as claiming a Big Mac isn't a hamburger because Loungeburger's offerings are better and tastier.

What in the hell are you talking about?

My commentatry is based solely to illustrate the point that modern mainstream music lacks artistic merit. I gave eight specific points why and you addressed none of them. You then went on to provide me a ninth point that modern bands write cliches to feed the masses in demographics.

This argument started when you poked fun at "moldy classic rock". Do you think for one second that internationally beloved and timeless bands like Pink Floyd, Queen, Led Zeppelin, etc etc etc ever cared about "writing to a demographic?" That is so not rock n roll. In the slightest. It is everything these bands stood against, and will always stand against. They will be remembered long after every one of the pathetic shlock rock bands you seem to revere are long forgotten as just another generic clone designed to make money. No artistic merit. Just $$$.

I even posted in this thread that if you can actually discuss the points I brought up, or even ones I didn't which actually address the spirit of the posts I have made and commentary therein, then we are having a healthy argument. I am not above being wrong, or above reconsidering my opinions, but you don't seem to have the capacity to actually discuss music, art, or the integrity of said in any kind of intellectually discernable manner. Your ideas that they tap into what audiences want and that makes it okay bothers me. They might as well be programming a video game.

Rather than address the points I have asked you to as per what is a reaosnable discussion on something as subjective as musical taste, you have decided to circumlocute said points and instead attack me as though I am claiming my opinion to be fact. If you think you can actually discuss why you think classic rock is "moldy" then feel free to come back to this thread and engage in a debate with me utilizing facts, properly presented interpretations of what exactly about the subject matter does or does not "do it for you", and not just resort back to "its what the masses want." Timeless bands like the ones mentioned above didn't give two-craps about what the masses wanted, and they will be remembered forever.

[Old Yeller]

Can someone embed a Nickelback song in this thread for Traditional_Ale?

[ricoFlame]

I hate to give respect to anything in or around edmonton...but whoever runs Sonic needs to go ahead and bring the exact same thing to Calgary...it's just better than anything here. Cjay is so lame. go to some random bar in the middle of BF nowhere and you'll hear the exact same playlist coming from the jukebox....classic rock.

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by Old Yeller

Can someone embed a Nickelback song in this thread for Traditional_Ale?

Or better yet, the one that has two of them playing simultaneously illustrating they are the exact same effing thing the whole way through? That one always makes me laugh.

Incidentally, Nickelback don't piss me off anywhere near as much as some bands. At least they've managed longevity.

[Jimmy Stang]

Originally Posted by ricoFlame

I hate to give respect to anything in or around edmonton...but whoever runs Sonic needs to go ahead and bring the exact same thing to Calgary...it's just better than anything here. Cjay is so lame. go to some random bar in the middle of BF nowhere and you'll hear the exact same playlist coming from the jukebox....classic rock.

I was hoping that X92.9 would be Calgary's version of Sonic, but they tend to play the same stuff over and over again. I actually find them to be quite bland, repetitive, and uninspiring.

[Ramsayfarian]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Stang

I was hoping that X92.9 would be Calgary's version of Sonic, but they tend to play the same stuff over and over again. I actually find them to be quite bland, repetitive, and uninspiring.

I agree. The only thing they have going for them is their no Nickelback guaranty

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

My commentatry is based solely to illustrate the point that modern mainstream music lacks artistic merit. I gave eight specific points why and you addressed none of them. You then went on to provide me a ninth point that modern bands write cliches to feed the masses in demographics.

And my point is that "artistic merit" is in the eye of the beholder. My grandparents' generation didn't find much artistic merit in the bands you mention below. Such is life. Each generation, culture and demographic has its own tastes. The eight points you listed were all about the complexity of the arrangement, not the merits of it. Nothing more, nothing less.

This argument started when you poked fun at "moldy classic rock". Do you think for one second that internationally beloved and timeless bands like Pink Floyd, Queen, Led Zeppelin, etc etc etc ever cared about "writing to a demographic?" That is so not rock n roll. In the slightest. It is everything these bands stood against, and will always stand against.

We can only guess at their intentions, but I suspect most of those bands cared more for the lifestyle than the artistry of it all. I think you give the bands you like far too much credit, and the bands you hate far too little. Those bands wrote music that appealed to wide audiences and was commercially successful and that is the entire reason why they are remembered.

They will be remembered long after every one of the pathetic shlock rock bands you seem to revere are long forgotten as just another generic clone designed to make money. No artistic merit. Just $$$.

I've made no statement on what I do and do not "revere", I merely commented that the market for the style of commercial rock that Nickelback and their clones makes is quite large. All of the assumptions that you have made, inlcuding your predictions of the future, are a product of your own hyper-defensiveness.

I even posted in this thread that if you can actually discuss the points I brought up, or even ones I didn't which actually address the spirit of the posts I have made and commentary therein, then we are having a healthy argument. I am not above being wrong, or above reconsidering my opinions, but you don't seem to have the capacity to actually discuss music, art, or the integrity of said in any kind of intellectually discernable manner.

Putting aside your ad hominem attacks, you aren't getting my point: There is no right or wrong answer. I am not out to prove you wrong because I am not out to tell you what kind of music you should like or dislike. That is your individual choice. You like music with more complex arrangements. That's cool. The 30+ million albums Nickelback has sold says a lot of people like their style as well. Again, that is cool.

Your ideas that they tap into what audiences want and that makes it okay bothers me. They might as well be programming a video game.

I have to admit to being rather lost as to why you are so offended by the fact that people have different tastes than you do.

Rather than address the points I have asked you to as per what is a reaosnable discussion on something as subjective as musical taste, you have decided to circumlocute said points and instead attack me as though I am claiming my opinion to be fact. If you think you can actually discuss why you think classic rock is "moldy" then feel free to come back to this thread and engage in a debate with me utilizing facts, properly presented interpretations of what exactly about the subject matter does or does not "do it for you", and not just resort back to "its what the masses want." Timeless bands like the ones mentioned above didn't give two-craps about what the masses wanted, and they will be remembered forever.

Somehow I picture you frothing at the mouth as you type this, as you just repeated your entire post in one paragraph. As such, everything but my opinion of CJAY's play list is already addressed above. And to respond to that final point, my "moldy" comment referred to the fact that CJAY has no variety whatsoever in its play lists, especially as pertains to classic rock. While I think you are full of crap when you say those classic rock bands were about artistry and not money, they are certainly well remembered bands that had far more than the one or two hit songs that CJAY plays.

[Traditional_Ale]

Putting aside your ad hominem attacks,

I don't understand what this means. Not that I'm not doing that, but as an aside, can you explain? Seriously, I just don't know.

Somehow I picture you frothing at the mouth as you type this, as you just repeated your entire post in one paragraph.

Just pressed for time at work. Actually, the frothing at the mouth imagry is something I've used from time to time as well, so fair enough.

We can only guess at their intentions, but I suspect most of those bands cared more for the lifestyle than the artistry of it all.

Look man, I can agree to disagree here. I sincerely love all music that is written from the heart, and sincerely dislike (even hate) music that is written calculating mass appeal based on demographics. In my opinion, it removes the artistic element when it stops being personal and an expression of something fundamentally important to the artist.

And you are right that there are no right or wrong answers. What was grinding my gears was that you didn't seem to want to debate based on the actual merits of the subject matter. Your last post was much better, touching on things like the generation gap and complexity of arrangments.

I do apologize for the hyperbole reeking in my posts today. Not good form at all.

Moreover, I'm not offended that people have different tastes, but sometimes I do feel like banging my head against a wall when I'm out for a brew at the pub and overhear two doods having the most stoked conversation ever about bands like Three Days Grace or Theory of a Deadman. But again, like you said, no right or wrongs. I guess personally it could be compared to being ticked off by people who piss all over the toilette seat or don't use their signal lights while driving.

Also, please don't confuse "hyper-defensivness" for me simply just being really really (REALLY) passionate about music, performance, recording, etc etc etc. I've been obsessed with music since I was a very young child and its something very dear to me. Once my friend gets back to Calgary at the beginning of September and we finish up our little studio project I promise to post the recordings here for all to rip to shreds...lol...but I promise you will laugh your bag off.

Anyway, truce?

[Resolute 14]

Heh, Sure.

Passion is often a good thing... but not everyone is passionate about the same topics. In this case, I'd say we have a considerable difference in that regard wrt music. I like what I like, hate what I hate, and rarely care about how the music got where it is. Such is true in everything. While most of us share passion for hockey, there are those that don't. Crazy as that sounds.

[Yeah_Baby]

I love Sonic, but even Sonic isn't as awesome as it used to be.

[Prototype]

I feel like I have a big fish hook in my mouth. Believed a report I heard from someone I considered an "insider", only to tune into CJAY today for the first time in years. Who do I hear? Dylan and Pepper.

Sorry for posting this false 'rumour'. Go about your business...

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Prototype

I feel like I have a big fish hook in my mouth. Believed a report I heard from someone I considered an "insider", only to tune into CJAY today for the first time in years. Who do I hear? Dylan and Pepper.

Sorry for posting this false 'rumour'. Go about your business...

Not that I know who they are as I primarily listen to music off my ipod or Sirius for (Howard Stern/NFL radio/Octane, etc) in my car but what was up with the Forbes show shakeup last year where the longtime girl and other dude got the boot if I am correct?

[Prototype]

Wicksie went into the oil field, no idea where JD is, and Jody Hughes is on CBC Calgary now.

EDIT: I think Wicksie has filled in on 960 once and a while.