Bush Jr. expanded the size and power of the federal government more than any previous president since FDR. He was nowhere close to being a "small government" conservative, so where were the Tea Party protesters and the like during his presidency? While a few conservatives "broke ranks" and spoke out against the excesses of his administration (Christopher Buckley and Andrew Sullivan are two notable examples), there certainly wasn't much of a movement to paint Bush in a negative light coming from the right.
So why is Obama attracting so much more anger among conservatives for increasing the size of government when Bush was equally, if not moreso, fiscally irresponsible?
All true.
Two things stand out though.
Obama makes Bush look like a chump when it comes to spending, and a lot of the spending Bush did was military related, and many Tea Party members I bet supported that.
Who wants to bet that there's a strong overlap between Tea Party extremists who are "standing up for the Constitution" and the 48% of respondants to that poll who think it's acceptable to deny constitutional rights to Muslims?
Nice way of taking a graph like this and twisting the context of the ENTIRE survey. Just in case anyone else would like to see the full context of the survey which is really driven by whether a mosque should be built at ground zero of where the twin towers were. Link.
Note that not even a lot of Democrats are saying the mosque should be built their. Another survey question from the same survey from the Economist:
Do you think the Islamic cultural centre and mosque should be built near the World Trade Centre site, or not?
there is a Mcdonalds and 7-11 at ground zero in Nagasaki
there is a Mosque in the pentagon
there is a Mistubishi Dealer(the maker of the Zero) in Pearl City
there is a fish and chips stand beside the Plains of Abraham
they sell VW's in Israel
don't get me started on what we have built on Indian land
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9/11 was less than 10 years ago. The wound is still fresh the families still emotional about the whole event. Even the construction workers that had to finish demolishing the world trade don't want to do it, emotions are still too high. http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/...tc_mosque.html
Now tell me the union construction workers are tea party... they are simply blue collar new yorkers. I also really doubt they had VW in Israel in 1954. Later after there is more time to adjust would be more appropriate.
This is not just about religion either as the planning for the attack was done in a Berlin mosque as well as the potential for Al Qaeda propaganda calling this a win and infuriating the populace. Also this is not over by any means. 9/11 was the opening shot, the war is still going on.
9/11 was less than 10 years ago. The wound is still fresh the families still emotional about the whole event. Even the construction workers that had to finish demolishing the world trade don't want to do it, emotions are still too high. http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/...tc_mosque.html
Now tell me the union construction workers are tea party... they are simply blue collar new yorkers. I also really doubt they had VW in Israel in 1954. Later after there is more time to adjust would be more appropriate.
This is not just about religion either as the planning for the attack was done in a Berlin mosque as well as the potential for Al Qaeda propaganda calling this a win and infuriating the populace. Also this is not over by any means. 9/11 was the opening shot, the war is still going on.
Yeah, but this is a perfect time for people to attack the tea party, and lump them all together into one nice group that is racist, and full of bigots.
Hell, because they never had a problem with the outrageous spending and government policies during the Bush administration, they should shut up now. Better to let them country go to hell than to stand up and protest.
If the mosque was at ground zero I would say don't build it, but after watching this I say build it.
Don't know why they would want to anyways with all the security they are going to need. A disaster waiting to happen. Some crazy will probably bomb it.
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Nice way of taking a graph like this and twisting the context of the ENTIRE survey. Just in case anyone else would like to see the full context of the survey which is really driven by whether a mosque should be built at ground zero of where the twin towers were.
I'm not twisting anything; I'm pretty sure everyone here is aware that the context behind that survey being the proposed mosque near the World Trade Center.
That point doesn't at all change the fact that 48% of respondents replied that Muslims should be denied their constitutional right to build a place of worship at a location where other religions would be permitted to do so. I can understand the argument that it's culturally insensitive to build a mosque there, but by no means should it be banned so long as the plan satisfies all NYC building codes (which it does).
The Mosque issue is a no brainer. I'm not suprised Obama found himself on the other side of the issue. He is an idiot. The City of New York has the right to refuse any building permit it wants based on whatever they want the landscape to look like in their city. Usually it takes a lot of time and effort to get permission to build anything of this size. To have it pass quickly with all in favour is unheard of. These people don't even own all the property yet or have shown they have the capital to get the job done.
Building a Mosque two blocks away from ground zero is of no benefit to New Yorkers. For one Islamic terrorists will see it as a monument to their victory. Traditionally Muslim invaders errect a Mosque on conquerd soil. That is why there is a Mosque on the Temple mount in Jerusalem. So even if it is build as a place of peace it will be seen in the radical Muslim world as a memorial to a victory. Also, them wanting to call it "Ground Zero Mosque" causes me to seriously doubt the motives of those who want to build it .
New Yorkers lost friends and family to a small group of people who acted in the name of "Allah". Since then the've had to endure threats real and imagined by others all acting in the name of "Allah". New Yorkers have suffered this with little retalitation against others of this religious faith. I don't think people not wanting a Mosque and educational school devoted to this god built in the shadow of ground zero is being intolerant. I believe the people behind this effort are the ones being insensitive.
To illustrate the double standard imployed; this same City planning committee have refused to issue a permit to the Greek Orthadox church to rebuild the church on their own land that was destroyed on 9/11.
The Mosque issue is a no brainer. I'm not suprised Obama found himself on the other side of the issue. He is an idiot.
I know, right? How DARE the president, who took an oath to protect the US Constitution upon taking office, stand up and defend the constitutional rights of Muslims to freely practice their faith. What an idiot!
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I know, right? How DARE the president, who took an oath to protect the US Constitution upon taking office, stand up and defend the constitutional rights of Muslims to freely practice their faith. What an idiot!
He's obviously biased...you know, since he himself is a Muslim.
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The Mosque issue is a no brainer. I'm not suprised Obama found himself on the other side of the issue. He is an idiot. The City of New York has the right to refuse any building permit it wants based on whatever they want the landscape to look like in their city. Usually it takes a lot of time and effort to get permission to build anything of this size. To have it pass quickly with all in favour is unheard of. These people don't even own all the property yet or have shown they have the capital to get the job done.
Building a Mosque two blocks away from ground zero is of no benefit to New Yorkers. For one Islamic terrorists will see it as a monument to their victory. Traditionally Muslim invaders errect a Mosque on conquerd soil. That is why there is a Mosque on the Temple mount in Jerusalem. So even if it is build as a place of peace it will be seen in the radical Muslim world as a memorial to a victory. Also, them wanting to call it "Ground Zero Mosque" causes me to seriously doubt the motives of those who want to build it .
New Yorkers lost friends and family to a small group of people who acted in the name of "Allah". Since then the've had to endure threats real and imagined by others all acting in the name of "Allah". New Yorkers have suffered this with little retalitation against others of this religious faith. I don't think people not wanting a Mosque and educational school devoted to this god built in the shadow of ground zero is being intolerant. I believe the people behind this effort are the ones being insensitive.
To illustrate the double standard imployed; this same City planning committee have refused to issue a permit to the Greek Orthadox church to rebuild the church on their own land that was destroyed on 9/11.
Shouldn't be allowed to build a church near Oklahoma then. Since the Oklahoma city bombing was perpetrated by someone raised Catholic.
Clearly, Catholics should have their constitutional rights stripped for the area immediately around Oklahoma. Because it would be "insensitive" to build a church there.
Why are Christian conservatives such dips all the time?
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I know, right? How DARE the president, who took an oath to protect the US Constitution upon taking office, stand up and defend the constitutional rights of Muslims to freely practice their faith. What an idiot!
He is an idiot for thinking there is a constitutional issue involved at all. Cities have a right to control zoning and what is built on city land. They are expected to act in the best interests of th residents. They are not acting in New Yorkers best interests. They are bowing to a special interest group because that is what liberals do.
Where's the outrage over the Greek Orthadox church being refused a building permit to rebuild on their own property. Why wasn't the President calling up the constution for them? He didn't because white christians are not a demographic he cares for. The press didn't make a fuss because the city has always claimed the right to regulate land useage within the city limits.
He is an idiot for thinking there is a constitutional issue involved at all. Cities have a right to control zoning and what is built on city land. They are expected to act in the best interests of th residents. They are not acting in New Yorkers best interests. They are bowing to a special interest group because that is what liberals do.
Where's the outrage over the Greek Orthadox church being refused a building permit to rebuild on their own property. Why wasn't the President calling up the constution for them? He didn't because white christians are not a demographic he cares for. The press didn't make a fuss because the city has always claimed the right to regulate land useage within the city limits.
Your lack of knowledge of zoning laws and their interaction with the Constitution is quite humorous. I'd suggest you educate yourself on it before pretending to have a clue.
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Your lack of knowledge of zoning laws and their interaction with the Constitution is quite humorous. I'd suggest you educate yourself on it before pretending to have a clue.
Why provide substance when it's quite clear you lack even a basic grasp of the law surrounding zoning? Seriously, make an attempt to educate yourself. It would serve you well.
