That's alot of dope!

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I think there is a lot of talking going on here without a lot of evidence.

Look, the RAND Corporation is a front for the New World Order, so you take your Illuminati propaganda elsewhere!

[alltherage]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

And thats fine, but I remain firmly unconvinced that there is a difference in mental effects for moderate or heavy users when it comes to smoking vs inhaling over the long term.

I could make the similar argument that if I smoked light tar ultra light cigarettes that I should be taxed less then someone who smokes unfiltered flavor level cigarettes or cigars, but I'm not.

Originally Posted by wikipedia

Acute effects while under the influence can include euphoria, anxiety, temporary short-term memory loss,[1]However, chronic use is not associated with some cardiovascular risk factors such as blood triglyceride levels and blood pressure, as indicated in a longitudinal study.[2] The evidence of long-term effects on memory is preliminary and hindered by confounding factors.[2][3] Concerns have been raised about the potential for long-term cannabis consumption to increase risk for schizophrenia, bipolar disorders, and major depression,[4][5] but the ultimate conclusions on these factors are disputed.[6][7]

I know it's easy to say "Oh that's wikipedia!!!!" but there are many supporting documents in there. All it says is there is the potential for this and that, but that nothing is conclusive. So basically they are really looking as hard as they can in this day and age of fantastic resources and technology, and nothing is confirmed, even in long term users.

Edit: Ultimately it's up for debate... but I look at it as innocent until proven guilty. They haven't even been able to hint at any type of guilt on any of these health issues, so for me, I say smoke away.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by alltherage

I've never seen beef sold by 1/10 of a pound. I've seen it for about $5 a pound. If your burger is 1/10 then the patty alone is $0.50. The you have to consider 2 patties... $1. Then you have to consider a bun... $0.30. Then you also have to consider the time it takes you to make it, the cost of your house for that 20 minutes or so, the electricity you use, the vegitables and condiments you put on it... by that time you are well above $1.69.

No... I could go home and make a ty burger topped with diced onions, ketchup mustard, on a tiny bun for under 50 cents. The most expensive ingredient would probably be the cheese. I also don't know if you can call a pickel slice and diced onions "vegetables", but the $1.69 double cheesburgers don't exactly contain the highest quality ingredients..

Not to mention I doubt McDonalds is making much profit at all off the 1.69 double cheeseburgers. In fact, once you factor in the cost of running the restaurant and staff, they are probably losing money. They make the profit off the guy who buys a drink or fries to go with them or the people who buy the more expensive sandwiches. If McDonalds were selling nothing but double cheeseburgers, they would go out of business.

I think restaurant food is probably the worst example you could have used. The mark up on it is horrendous.

Originally Posted by alltherage

And Yes, the tax on cigarettes was niknamed the "sin" tax. It is taxed heavily because of the back end health costs, as well as the simple fact that they are trying to discourage people from smoking. The government doesnt want people to die slow horrible cancerous deaths. They have made the taxes prohibitively high.

I dont think they would do that with marijuana if it is being consumed in food, drinks, or from vaporizers where, again, there are zero proven health implications.

I'm glad that you have such a great view of big government, but I just don't see how that's realistic in any way.

The government will tax marijuana because they can. People will will be willing to pay $10.00+ a joint to avoid police and drug dealers and for the benefit of knowing what they are getting, so the government will tax that amount.

The government will easily be able to turn people on marijuana the way they have on smoking to justify the taxes. It won't be hard in any way to come up with reasons for why being baked all day has a societal cost.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by alltherage

I know it's easy to say "Oh that's wikipedia!!!!" but there are many supporting documents in there. All it says is there is the potential for this and that, but that nothing is conclusive. So basically they are really looking as hard as they can in this day and age of fantastic resources and technology, and nothing is confirmed, even in long term users.

Good, then tax it and put the money towards research. Prove to me that its outright safe and non effective and then you can lower the tax on it. Remember in the 50's Cigarettes were safe, everyone did it, hell doctors recommended that pregnant woman have a couple of smokes a day to combat anxiety.

To me, with the smokers, your inhaling stuff into your lungs thats not meant to be there. Your altering brain chemistry every time you use it.



But at the very least you treat it like any other legal vice.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

This is exactly what I meant.

You didn't even read the paper, and probably not even a cursory glance.

Your opinions are rigid, I'll give you that.

I did read the paper. It basically assumes large scale marijuana growth would be done on large communal farms. It's idealistic but unrealistic in the world of large business. The paper also readily admits that large scale taxes would account for a large portion of the consumer price. For some reason they assume government would only want to tax at a rate of $50 per ounce, which is ridiculous.

Government will tax at the highest rate they possibly can and then add sales tax on top of that.

It's also of note that this paper was prepared for California. The cost of a six pack of beer or a pack of ciagarettes is much cheaper in California. The cost of marijuana is greater while the quality is lower.

[alltherage]

Originally Posted by blankall

Not to mention I doubt McDonalds is making much profit at all off the 1.69 double cheeseburgers. In fact, once you factor in the cost of running the restaurant and staff, they are probably losing money.

Oh my God! You are right! I have forwarded this evidence to McDonalds. No wonder they are on the brink of bakruptcy!

I wont be dignifying any more of your baseless and illogical arguments with replies. If something of weight comes from you on this issue I will surely respond... but that just took the cake for really, really stupid arguments.

A main staple of McDonald's restaurant is a loss leader?? Hahahaha... OK!!

[alltherage]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

To me, with the smokers, your inhaling stuff into your lungs thats not meant to be there. Your altering brain chemistry every time you use it.

But at the very least you treat it like any other legal vice.

Again, CC, with smokers. I have not contested that once in this thread. I am talking about non smoking consumption. Vaporization is not smoke, it boils and makes the THC evaporate. There is nothing burning, therefore nothing is smoked.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by blankall

I did read the paper. It basically assumes large scale marijuana growth would be done on large communal farms. It's idealistic but unrealistic in the world of large business. The paper also readily admits that large scale taxes would account for a large portion of the consumer price. For some reason they assume government would only want to tax at a rate of $50 per ounce, which is ridiculous.

Government will tax at the highest rate they possibly can and then add sales tax on top of that.

It's also of note that this paper was prepared for California. The cost of a six pack of beer or a pack of ciagarettes is much cheaper in California. The cost of marijuana is greater while the quality is lower.

If pot is legalized, the moment it happens, every fataing cigarette manufacturer is going to sell it. The supply will shoot up drastically.

Do you think it's hard to grow it or something? It's a fataing plant.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by alltherage

Oh my God! You are right! I have forwarded this evidence to McDonalds. No wonder they are on the brink of bakruptcy!

I wont be dignifying any more of your baseless and illogical arguments with replies. If something of weight comes from you on this issue I will surely respond... but that just took the cake for really, really stupid arguments.

A main staple of McDonald's restaurant is a loss leader?? Hahahaha... OK!!

What percentage of sales do solo double cheeseburgers form? There is a reason why the double cheeseburger costs 1.69 and the quarter pounder costs twice that despite the fact they have virtually the same ingredients.

You don't think large corporations ever sell specific items for little or no profit ever? They do this to get people inside the door and then buy the more expensive accompanying items. Why do you think you can get a $500 phone for $50 bucks from telus on a three year contract? The vast majority of people who buy double cheeseburgers buy a drink and fries to go with them. That is where the profit is made.

You're analytical skill prove that you're obviously a living case study for the detrimental effects of marijuana use.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by alltherage

Again, CC, with smokers. I have not contested that once in this thread. I am talking about non smoking consumption. Vaporization is not smoke, it boils and makes the THC evaporate. There is nothing burning, therefore nothing is smoked.

I understand that, and I know what vaporization is.

with tobacco there is no taxable difference between delivery methods, filter types , amount of tar, heaviness of the cigarette, its a universal taxation rate.

With Liquor its all taxed whether its a light beer or a heavier alcohol beer, whether its win, or tequilla.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by Shazam

If pot is legalized, the moment it happens, every fataing cigarette manufacturer is going to sell it. The supply will shoot up drastically.

Do you think it's hard to grow it or something? It's a fataing plant.

It won't be legalized because a natural occuring plant cannot be controlled by big business corporations.
Why would I pay money for something I could grow in my back yard?

[alltherage]

Originally Posted by blankall

What percentage of sales do solo double cheeseburgers form? There is a reason why the double cheeseburger costs 1.69 and the quarter pounder costs twice that despite the fact they have virtually the same ingredients.

You don't think large corporations ever sell specific items for little or no profit ever? They do this to get people inside the door and then buy the more expensive accompanying items. Why do you think you can get a $500 phone for $50 bucks from telus on a three year contract? The vast majority of people who buy double cheeseburgers buy a drink and fries to go with them. That is where the profit is made.

You're analytical skill prove that you're obviously a living case study for the detrimental effects of marijuana use.

...Yet I back up my statements with research and fact, and you back yours up with assumptions... and not great ones to begin with.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Shazam

If pot is legalized, the moment it happens, every fataing cigarette manufacturer is going to sell it. The supply will shoot up drastically.

Do you think it's hard to grow it or something? It's a fataing plant.

It's a plant with an extremely low yield that can only be grown under very specific circumstances. Tobacco is not a comparable crop. You'd be better off comparing it to certain fruits or flowers.

[CaptainCrunch]

Seed purchase would be taxed as well.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

It won't be legalized because a natural occuring plant cannot be controlled by big business corporations.
Why would I pay money for something I could grow in my back yard?

What the fata do you think a tobacco tree is? Or wheat? Rye? Barley?

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by blankall

It's a plant with an extremely low yield that can only be grown under very specific circumstances. Tobacco is not a comparable crop. You'd be better off comparing it to certain fruits or flowers.

I see your horticultural acumen is as good as your business acumen.

[alltherage]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I understand that, and I know what vaporization is.

with tobacco there is no taxable difference between delivery methods, filter types , amount of tar, heaviness of the cigarette, its a universal taxation rate.

With Liquor its all taxed whether its a light beer or a heavier alcohol beer, whether its win, or tequilla.

What I was originally saying was that they should have different taxes depending on the health implications, that's all. I see what you are saying now though.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Shazam

I see your horticultural acumen is as good as your business acumen.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_cultivation

Take a look for yourself. Growing Cannabis is not as easy as you are making it out to be.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by blankall

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_cultivation

Take a look for yourself. Growing Cannabis is not as easy as you are making it out to be.

You think that's tough? I reiterate my assertion that you have no horticultural experience.

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by Shazam

You think that's tough? I reiterate my assertion that you have no horticultural experience.

or he is high