16YO trying to sail around the world, found alive with boat disabled, rescue on

[puckluck]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

1: Hey Lug, you still working on that stupid piece of crap?

2: Oh this, its called a boat! Remember how wood floats on water? Well by tieing lots of wood together we can move ourselves and our things across bodies of water!

1: Why the hell would we want to do that? Carrying stuff with your arms isn't good enough for you? Trying to make us all look stupid?

2: No, just imagine the extra stuff we can move, and so much more quickly than pulling it through the forest! With less damage!

1: Oh yeah, so what happens when that thing tips over? Not only do you lose the cargo, but now you're in a river with alligators and snakes and poison fish! Look man, quit wasting all your energy on these stupid things and maybe think about helping us kill stuff instead?

This logic makes no sense. It's not like the girl invented sailing.

[Displaced Flames fan]

I find the roofies and underage rape talk offensive. Do you really have to go there?

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by puckluck

This logic makes no sense. It's not like the girl invented sailing.

If you had read my posts more carefully through the entirety of the thread, I was addressing what appears to me to be an emerging sub-issue seperate from the primary debate. Said issue being that I noticed some posters were insinuating that her motivations for attempting this to begin with were something other than a personal challenege of courage and perseverance. I commented that if everyone thought along the lines of these insinuations, being that nobody does anything "hard " without some alterior motive, we would all still be living in caves.

Then I wrote a skit about the wheel, and MelBridgmann rightly pointed out that it was not a life or death scenario. So I tried again. The idea being is that "Lug" was inventing the wheel and boat not because he wanted recognition or an ego-stroke over "doing something hard," but rather many of the people throughout history who have accomplished "hard" things are actually quite selfless and ultimately self-motivated without the need for accolades or recognition of their efforts.

Clear?

[puckluck]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

I find the roofies and underage rape talk offensive. Do you really have to go there?

It's called a joke. You've been on this site for 9 years I'm sure you've seen worse.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by puckluck

It's called a joke. You've been on this site for 9 years I'm sure you've seen worse.

I don't find rape funny. Yes I've seen worse, in my 13 years associated with this site in one incarnation or another.

The fact that it is not the worst thing I've ever seen here doesn't make it acceptable.

[puckluck]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

If you had read my posts more carefully through the entirety of the thread, I was addressing what appears to me to be an emerging sub-issue seperate from the primary debate. Said issue being that I noticed some posters were insinuating that her motivations for attempting this to begin with were something other than a personal challenege of courage and perseverance. I commented that if everyone thought along the lines of these insinuations, being that nobody does anything hard without some pathetic alterior motive, we would all still be living in caves.

Then I wrote a skit about the wheel, and MelBridgmann rightly pointed out that it was not a life or death scenario. So I tried again. The idea being is that "Lug" was inventing the wheel and boat not because he wanted recognition or an ego-stroke over "doing something hard," but rather many of the people throughout history who have accomplished "hard" things are actually quite selfless and ultimately self-motivated without the need for accolades or recognition of their efforts.

Clear?

Actually, it's not clear at all. People inventing stuff and a girl sailing the world have no relevance to each other. Sure they both accomplished or attempted to accomplish something hard, but I'd say the motivations behind inventing something and sailing around the world as a teen are completely different.

The girl is being used as a publicity stunt by her parents IMO.

[puckluck]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

I don't find rape funny. Yes I've seen worse, in my 13 years associated with this site in one incarnation or another.

The fact that it is not the worst thing I've ever seen here doesn't make it acceptable.

Rape isn't funny. Jokes about rape is. I don't recall you berating the Pedo-bear pics in different threads on this forum.

[JustAnotherGuy]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

I don't find rape funny. Yes I've seen worse, in my 13 years associated with this site in one incarnation or another.

The fact that it is not the worst thing I've ever seen here doesn't make it acceptable.

Que the people who are more offended that you dare stand up to the inappropriate joke than they are offended about the actual attempt at a joke.

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by puckluck

Actually, it's not clear at all. People inventing stuff and a girl sailing the world have no relevance to each other. Sure they both accomplished or attempted to accomplish something hard, but I'd say the motivations behind inventing something and sailing around the world as a teen are completely different.

The girl is being used as a publicity stunt by her parents IMO.

Its obvious to me you have very poor reading comprehension skills. I could not make that last post any more clear and concise. If anyone from the last page wants to continue to debate then great, if not, I'm out.

And rape jokes are not cool when kids are concerned. Unless they're the ones doing the raping, and they're raping their Jr. High teachers. Then its free-game.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by KTrain

I can't believe people are ragging on this girl for wanting to sail around the world. Going for a record or not it's pretty damn cool.

Most kids her age are watching The Hills and Jersey Shore, getting felt up by losers wearing Ed Hardy.

She's doing something that will be remembered by millions of people and is a story she'll be able to tell for the rest of her life.

Problem is even some of the best sailors don't realise the physical strength you need to keep the boat in order in seas that can have 30 foot waves for 24 hours at a time. (think marble in a tin-can)

You can't just wrap yourself in foam and wait it out, you still have to steer the boat or it'll get swallowed up fast. I think it was her brother (same last name anyway) who did this feat and I remember reading his blog saying "Not sure how but I made it threw the storm, banged up shoulder and extremely tired...must sleep!" The storm he was talking about was 10-12 foot waves for 24 hours, reports are Abby is in 25 foot waves.

I wish her the best but I just don't think a 16 year old girl has the physical strength for this type of adventure if things go wrong.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by puckluck

Rape isn't funny. Jokes about rape is. I don't recall you berating the Pedo-bear pics in different threads on this forum.

I have no idea what that is.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Flashpoint

Pirates?

Her location is approximately next to the I in Indian Ocean on this map.

http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=-...185.449219&z=3

They would be very silly pirates

[puckluck]

MOD EDIT: Context is important. Take those jokes to another thread.

[octothorp]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

I would argue that no amount of preperation can truly prepare you for a challenge like that. If she wants to be the youngest to do it and has the training then all the power to her. Lots of growth can come from this experience, especially for a young'in like her that none of her peers will ever be able to comprehend or understand.

I must be misunderstanding your argument here, because it sounds like you're saying that because it's an experience that you can never fully prepare for, there's no point in gaining as much experience, training, and preparation as necessary. Which makes more sense: that she did this expedition now because there was no way she could prepare further; or that she did this expedition now because she wanted to get her name in the record books?

Personally, I doubt that, should she survive, there will be that much positive growth. Perhaps she develops the feeling that she's invincible; perhaps she gets the impression that it's acceptable to put herself into dangerous situations and expect others to bail you out. Perhaps she becomes the sort of person who can't work in a team because she believes that she needs to do everything herself. Is she really going to be that better off than peers who hone their sailing skills in supervised, team-oriented environments?

[Buzzard]

Originally Posted by puckluck

Rape isn't funny. Jokes about rape is. I don't recall you berating the Pedo-bear pics in different threads on this forum.

And neither are you.

Thanks for contributing to the dumbing down of this forum since you've been here though.

[Igottago]

This girl has bigger balls than most guys I know. Takes a huge amount of courage to go off the beaten path in life. As far as the life and death risk, she could also be at risk driving to the mall to shop with her friends. Even a mundane life does not guarantee survival. I respect her sense of imagination and adventure, too few people have either these days.

[puckluck]

Originally Posted by Buzzard

And neither are you.

Thanks for contributing to the dumbing down of this forum since you've been here though.

Thanks for sharing. You make this board so much better.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Igottago

This girl has bigger balls than most guys I know. Takes a huge amount of courage to go off the beaten path in life. As far as the life and death risk, she could also be at risk driving to the mall to shop with her friends. Even a mundane life does not guarantee survival. I respect her sense of imagination and adventure, too few people have either these days.

Was it her dream to sail around the world, or was it her dream to get money and fame from doing it? It's not like she was doing it for free... she had sponsors and endorsements.

We don't really know her motive... it could have been greed that made her do it. She is a teenager and as everyone knows, they don't always base wreckless decisions on "dreams".

I also read on a sailing forum that those waters are famous for being rough and no experienced sailor should consider crossing them in the winter.

[CGYTransplant]

Originally Posted by fundmark19

she didn't exceed this was on 20 20 lats week or 60 mins one of those shows. Her boat broke down in south africa. So there is no way for her to beat the record since she stopped.

How do you people not see sailing the world as a good record? It would be quite incredible the things you get to see.


**edit I guess she would still be youngest to do it. But stopping defeats the whole point of trying***

I can't believe nobody caught that- it's succeed, not exceed.

/grammar & spelling police

Secondly- she is out of the running for the youngest to circumnavigate the globe NONSTOP because, yes, she stopped. She is still in the running to be the youngest to circumnavigate the globe. They are two different records, from what I can gather.

[Pinner]

Originally Posted by CGYTransplant

I can't believe nobody caught that- it's succeed, not exceed.

I can guarantee you people noticed it, just like I can guarantee, you need to get a more meaningful life. just sayin