Question: What do I do with this co-worker.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by Flames0910

No, I didn't miss that point.

Jolinar said that bylaw can't enforce it because it isn't marked as a temporary spot.

The solution is for bylaw to change the marking to a temporary spot if this is the case but to send a video to the press? Wow. Imagine if you were her and saw that on the evening news.

I wasn't saying that what she was doing was legally wrong....

morally however, its another story.
She should get a parking pass in the employee handicap area and stop parking in the public handicap area.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Flames0910

I still don't think this is any of your business jolinar.

You don't know she is doing anything wrong. To do what you are suggesting to somebody who is legitimately handicapped is dreadfully disgusting.

Fact is, to get the handicap sticker, a doctor had to sign off on it. A medical professional with much more expertise in this matter than you.
Fact is, it isn't a temporary spot. From what you have told us, there are no rules against parking there indefinitely.

It's really abhorrent. Just stop. Please.

Oh give it up PLEASE.

Have you read my previous posts regarding the proper procedure for disabled people who work for the federal government? Like I said before, even if we all agree that she is legitimately handicapped fair enough, go park in a spot underground FREE so that the general public can access government services.

Yes, my personal belief is that her MOBILITY is not impaired. I may be wrong but see above then. Remember I have watched this person for 2 years. I have also seen many handicapped people in the same 2 year period and she does have any mobility issues compared to them. I have seen many people some in wheel chairs some without legs some 95+ years old unable to park in the handicapped spot because she is there.

Yes a doctor needs to sign off on a handicap application, but please dont try and tell me that doctors really care about it. And if they do, they are in the same vote as the rest of us. When someone complains about pain or limps in the office, the doctor is not going to question it. The fact is it is why open for abuse.

And it is a temproary spot. The management company that runs the building wants it to be a temporary spot, that is the intent of it. There is a program in place for people to get permanent parking to keep that one open.

So please, don't tell me it's abhorrent. Whats abhorrent is someone abusing a handicapped parking spot for their own personal needs and not carring about the people that she is hired to help.

[jar_e]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

And it is a temproary spot. The management company that runs the building wants it to be a temporary spot, that is the intent of it. There is a program in place for people to get permanent parking to keep that one open.

So please, don't tell me it's abhorrent. Whats abhorrent is someone abusing a handicapped parking spot for their own personal needs and not carring about the people that she is hired to help.

Is there signage for the "temporary" spot? Maybe she's just being ignorant if there isn't any signage.

And I think you're walking a fine line by presuming she ISN'T handicapped IMO...you're obviously concerned enough to post a thread on CP and mention it and try to come up with ideas...if its such an emotional issue for you, why don't you just talk to her?

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Flames0910

No, I did not:


Jolinar said that bylaw can't enforce it because it isn't marked as a temporary spot.

The solution is for bylaw to change the marking to a temporary spot if this is the case but to send a video to the press? Wow. Imagine if you were her and saw that on the evening news.

Look, her manager knows, she knows, everyone in the office knows. If she needs parking it is there for her. There is no excuse to continue on for 2 years. Actually she has a sticker until 2013 so she knows that she needs a long term parking spot.

You need to understand that it's not like this is coming up after her using it for a couple of weeks.

How would you feel if your parents needed to get to a government service but couldn't because a government employee has taken the spot even though there is a process in place for her to park elsewhere?

I think your tune would change just a little.

[Ice]

Is anyone certain there are private handicapped spots available? Why would anyone choose to park on the street rather than heated underground parking, especially if any parking fees are reimbursable?

I have a friend who was also a coworker who didn't appear handicapped, and could run in her three inch heels if she was late arriving. Then she'd sit at her desk with ice on her knees because of her rheumatoid arthritis. Because she never complains about all her pain nobody would suspect she had a handicapped tag. Its taken years to convince her that she is justified in using her tag, because she felt bad that people who are visibly handicapped would miss out on the space she took. She also knew she'd be subjected to the same suspicion as I've read here. But the thing is, she IS handicapped. Every joint in her body hurts, the medication she takes daily and injects weekly has caused cardio problems for her, she deserves to park in handicapped spots. She sucks it up big time and tries not to act handicapped. That doesn't mean she isn't. If you saw her, you would never guess. If you knew her, you would know every movement she makes is excruciating.

I think everyone deserves the benefit of the doubt until its proven that they don't. Proven, not suspected.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by jar_e

Is there signage for the "temporary" spot? Maybe she's just being ignorant if there isn't any signage.

And I think you're walking a fine line by presuming she ISN'T handicapped IMO...you're obviously concerned enough to post a thread on CP and mention it and try to come up with ideas...if its such an emotional issue for you, why don't you just talk to her?

By law there is no time limit on the space, but because of the location it was ment to be limited parking spot. 2 or 3 hours. Just one of those things that got missed.

Trust me, if she was someone who was approachable I would have done it long time ago. But she is not. The fact that she is doing what she is doing should speak for itself.

And again, people have complained for a long time and the only reason I really care is because I am tired and sickened that the general public has complained to ME personally about it.

[jar_e]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

And again, people of complained for a long time and the only reason I really care is because I am tired and sickened that the general public has complained to ME personally about it.

Than pass that on to her directly or her superiors. Seems rather simple to wash your hands of.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Ice

Is anyone certain there are private handicapped spots available? Why would anyone choose to park on the street rather than heated underground parking, especially if any parking fees are reimbursable?

I have a friend who was also a coworker who didn't appear handicapped, and could run in her three inch heels if she was late arriving. Then she'd sit at her desk with ice on her knees because of her rheumatoid arthritis. Because she never complains about all her pain nobody would suspect she had a handicapped tag. Its taken years to convince her that she is justified in using her tag, because she felt bad that people who are visibly handicapped would miss out on the space she took. She also knew she'd be subjected to the same suspicion as I've read here. But the thing is, she IS handicapped. Every joint in her body hurts, the medication she takes daily and injects weekly has caused cardio problems for her, she deserves to park in handicapped spots. She sucks it up big time and tries not to act handicapped. That doesn't mean she isn't. If you saw her, you would never guess. If you knew her, you would know every movement she makes is excruciating.

I think everyone deserves the benefit of the doubt until its proven that they don't. Proven, not suspected.

Yes, the government has fully subsidized parking for handicapped people for decades (although they are now wanting to remove it).

Again, I am very cognizant that ALL mobility issues are not completely visibly observable, but the majority are. There is also handicapped spots that are available to pay for in the underground lot if they didn't want to officially ask for accommodation.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by jar_e

Than pass that on to her directly or her superiors. Seems rather simple to wash your hands of.

Trust me, this issue has been brought up to the Director of her department. He doesn't care. He is one of those people who does not want to deal with any issues.

It is simple to wash my hands of it. But is it right? The people that come to Canada Place for government service do not know that the person occupying the handicapped spot is a government employee. For all they know it is another member of the general public who is getting service.

[T@T]

Instead of stalking her to prove she's faking how about raise your concerns with Canada Place that there's not enough parking for handicaps.

Your acting like my nosey neighbour who always seems to know the person who parked in front of my house.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by T@T

Instead of stalking her to prove she's faking how about raise your concerns with Canada Place that there's not enough parking for handicaps.

Your acting like my nosey neighbour who always seems to know the person who parked in front of my house.

Like I said before, it has been brought up to building management by multiple people. There are other PAID handicapped locations, The only one on the street is controlled by the city. I am not stalking this person. I don't talk to this person, I don't work with this person, I don't care about this person. I only care about the general public who need to use the handicap spot.

I actually find it quite interesting. I bring up an issue where legitimate handicapped people cannot use a handicap spot and have difficulty obtaining government service because a government employee is abusing the handicap spot, and the majority of people think that I am being a nosey, ignorant crotchety old man who is unsympathetic to the needs of disabled people.

As a VP of my union I strive for the exceptance, equality and protection of people who require accommodation and this people does not fit into that scope. The government is trying to get rid of the fully paid for disabled parking for its employees. I along with the rest of the union am fighting against that stance. But what I will not accept is a government employee taking advantage of the average person just because they are a public servant. You can think I am some dick head but maybe you want to talk to the dude who can't make it in to the building to get his disability cheque because a government employee is parking in his spot.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Like I said before, it has been brought up to building management by multiple people. There are other PAID handicapped locations, The only one on the street is controlled by the city. I am not stalking this person. I don't talk to this person, I don't work with this person, I don't care about this person. I only care about the general public who need to use the handicap spot.

I actually find it quite interesting. I bring up an issue where legitimate handicapped people cannot use a handicap spot and have difficulty obtaining government service because a government employee is abusing the handicap spot, and the majority of people think that I am being a nosey, ignorant crotchety old man who is unsympathetic to the needs of disabled people.

As a VP of my union I strive for the exceptance, equality and protection of people who require accommodation and this people does not fit into that scope. The government is trying to get rid of the fully paid for disabled parking for its employees. I along with the rest of the union am fighting against that stance. But what I will not accept is a government employee taking advantage of the average person just because they are a public servant. You can think I am some dick head but maybe you want to talk to the dude who can't make it in to the building to get his disability cheque because a government employee is parking in his spot.

Not me. I applaud you for this. Most people if it didn't specifically affect them, would walk away and say "not my problem".
Bravo.

[redforever]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Look, her manager knows, she knows, everyone in the office knows. If she needs parking it is there for her. There is no excuse to continue on for 2 years. Actually she has a sticker until 2013 so she knows that she needs a long term parking spot.

You need to understand that it's not like this is coming up after her using it for a couple of weeks.

How would you feel if your parents needed to get to a government service but couldn't because a government employee has taken the spot even though there is a process in place for her to park elsewhere?

I think your tune would change just a little.

Something like this has been bugging you for 2 years and you are still at it? You sound spiteful and jaded.

You don't know what her medical problems are, management and the parking authorities don't wish to take action, give it up. Give the woman the benefit of the doubt.

[jammies]

Late at night, steal a city 2 hour-only parking sign from somewhere else. Install said sign in front of the space she is using. Problem solved.

[Rathji]

As much as you think a note won't do anything, it really might be the best bet.

[tvp2003]

Originally Posted by jammies

Late at night, steal a city 2 hour-only parking sign from somewhere else. Install said sign in front of the space she is using. Problem solved.

A less "criminal" way to do this is to put a bag/cloth over the handicapped parking sign (like what you see when a parking meter is "out of order"). Chances are she might not park there, or if she does, she may get a ticket.

Or, if it's worth it to you, find someone who has a handicap permit (yeah, I know this doesn't sound good) and have them park there at 7:15 am on Monday. If there's truly no time limit, leave the car there all week and force her to park somewhere else. Or better yet, after she parks somewhere else, move the car at 7:45 and leave the spot open for other people. After a week she might get the hint.

[Thor]

Yeah a simple note would be a good idea, my father needs spaces like that and it bugs me she's using it all day when its intent is to be used for guests not employees.

Try the anonymous note approach, be civil and tell her you and others have been approached by people who are handicapped and are upset this space is always occupied all day by the same vehicle.

Even though its not illegal what she is doing, its wrong and she should be using the employee paid handicap spots as the others do and leave this spot for the people its intended for.

[speede5]

Propose to the buildings owners or managers that they neeed a few more stalls. Do it in writing and make sure to details the times you have seen that what is there is inadequate and they are hurting the customer by not having enough. If they don't care it's not your problem.

As for whether or not she deserves the tag, not your or anyone else's business.

They are easy to get. My dad had eye surgery and they gave him one. He thought that was pretty funny.

[mykalberta]

Get the building manager to put up a 30 minute parking time limit on the stall. That should resolve this without upsetting political bs that dont want to do anything.

[VladtheImpaler]

It's time to cut to the chase, and go to the surefire investigative method - racial profiling. Is the woman Russian*? If she is, you can be 100% certain that fraud is involved.


*I will let others speak for their own people.