Hard to say, Star Trek basically equates to not much more than magic from our point of view.. the idea behind Star Trek warp drive is that inside the field space is distorted so that you are only traveling at sublight speeds through your local spacetime but your bubble of spacetime is traveling at faster than light.. but that's all just speculation, nothing really indicates that such a thing is possible or that the energy to so such a thing would be readily available.
The universe is pretty good at keeping it's limits, for example you could in theory build a perfectly rigid bar 1 light year long, and if you could move that bar at one end the other end would move instantly, thus violating causality.. except the universe also prevents you from building a perfectly rigid bar
Next time I'm in Calgary I want to get really baked and just listen to photon talk about Star Trek and it's possibilities compared to real life. It would be amazing!
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Not at all, as I've said, I would rather start with LA over any of the other WC playoff teams. Bunch of underachievers who look good on paper but don't even deserve to be in the playoffs.
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I would one step further and say that culture is the spirit which motivates us. Science is a tool directed by that spirit.
That's interesting.
The physical laws of the universe exist whether or not we used science to investigate them. Science is a kind of philosophy, but the laws are indifferent to our spirit. Would not the same scientific method arise in any intelligent civilization? It is not a product of our culture, but an obvious lens that any civilization will naturally develop?
I don't think aliens will have the same art, but they should have the same scientific method.
This is the point I've been trying to make on the "Climategate" thread.
Our Sun will eventuallly go nova and destroy this planet.
Instead of worrying about Global Warming which will happen anyway, as the Sun heats up as it ages thereby warming the Earth, we should be developing our space travel capability in order to escape this doomed planet.
As pointed out before this, we really don't need to worry about that for quite some time:
This is a very neat website that looks at all the hypothetical future advances (if we don't blow ourselves up first!) http://futuretimeline.net/index.htm
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The physical laws of the universe exist whether or not we used science to investigate them. Science is a kind of philosophy, but the laws are indifferent to our spirit. Would not the same scientific method arise in any intelligent civilization? It is not a product of our culture, but an obvious lens that any civilization will naturally develop?
Science as a methodology is pretty straight-forward. Hypothesize, gather data, test results for error, observe, and repeat.
I'm talking more about the spirit that provides us the motivation and our conclusions in regards to our humanity.
Maybe I'm just an anthrophile, but I'm not at all interested in studying the natural world for the sake of studying the natural world. As Plato writes in "Phaedrus," trees don't teach us anything, it's only in the city that actual conversations can take place between free men.
I bet that the scientific method is a universal means of gathering data, but without the proper spirit, it doesn't give us any knowledge about ourselves.
I just don't see how extra terrestrials would harm us. What do we have that's so valuable, that they can't it get off a planet without hostile, nuclear weapon toting locals? I imagine our lives are so choatic and primitive, that we'd make for good trash television, but would have very little value to them outside of that. The odds that they would find our planet to be comfortable place to live are very, very low. Even if our gravity was only 20% higher, it would be a very difficult place for them to live.
I personally think ET's avoid us, because any contact would give us access to their technology (even just visually) and after that, it's just a matter of time before we start whooping intergalactic ass.
Science as a methodology is pretty straight-forward. Hypothesize, gather data, test results for error, observe, and repeat.
I'm talking more about the spirit that provides us the motivation and our conclusions in regards to our humanity.
Maybe I'm just an anthrophile, but I'm not at all interested in studying the natural world for the sake of studying the natural world. As Plato writes in "Phaedrus," trees don't teach us anything, it's only in the city that actual conversations can take place between free men.
I bet that the scientific method is a universal means of gathering data, but without the proper spirit, it doesn't give us any knowledge about ourselves.
We are physically "star stuff". Star stuff that can think (meta-physically).
We are a way for the cosmos to know itself (your friend Carl) -
This is a very neat website that looks at all the hypothetical future advances (if we don't blow ourselves up first!) http://futuretimeline.net/index.htm
That is a crazy link - and dare I say, "Mind Blasting".
Maybe we are the most advanced civilization in the universe? If you believe in the exponential growth of technology you would have to wonder why we haven't heard from anything so far. Maybe civilizations cannot reach a level of intergalactic travel because the process by which to get to that level is too difficult socially and environmentally to the point that the civilization destroys itself in the process.
I just don't see how extra terrestrials would harm us. What do we have that's so valuable, that they can't it get off a planet without hostile, nuclear weapon toting locals? I imagine our lives are so choatic and primitive, that we'd make for good trash television, but would have very little value to them outside of that. The odds that they would find our planet to be comfortable place to live are very, very low. Even if our gravity was only 20% higher, it would be a very difficult place for them to live.
I personally think ET's avoid us, because any contact would give us access to their technology (even just visually) and after that, it's just a matter of time before we start whooping intergalactic ass.
I always liked this quote from the movie Contact:
"We pose no threat to them. It would be like us going out of our way to destroy a few microbes on some ant hill in Africa."
"Interesting analogy. And how guilty would we feel if we went and destroyed a few microbes on an ant hill in Africa?"
That perspective comes a very narrow and recent stream of thought.
I think he's just saying that if you look at something through rose-coloured glasses and poop-coloured glasses, you're still looking at the same thing. An infinite number of perspectives is required for true sight, which is currently byond the human condition.
This is a very neat website that looks at all the hypothetical future advances (if we don't blow ourselves up first!) http://futuretimeline.net/index.htm
After reading that link, I think I have a lot in common with that particular race in one of the Star Trek movies that voluntarily gave up warp drives and higher technology to pursue a more simple, human life.
There seems to be something of the divine about Man.
That's what I'm saying - we are more than atoms. Divine is a loaded word. I prefer cognos (?).
COGN comes from the Latin cognoscere, to get to know. We may recognize know again the root in some words, but in quaint and acquaint French has altered it beyond recognition. cognitive,
