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stang · 02-10-2010, 04:50 PM

This thread kicks arse

dj_patm · 02-10-2010, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

I think I can go to jail if I have sex with someone without consent and I'm not HIV positive.

I ment consent about the HIV postive.

Getting consent for sex =/= Getting consent for sex while being HIV positive.

Everyone seems to be side stepping that argument... Convenient.

(cue, pointless insults)

Flames_Gimp · 02-10-2010, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by dj_patm

Stop trying to make me out like a bad guy. I'm not talking about people in a wheel chair, or something like that.

This argument does not pertain to your position at all and is not aimed at anybody that is in a similar situation

dude you said serious disabilities..not trying to make you look bad, doing a good job on your own haha

CaptainCrunch · 02-10-2010, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

I think I can go to jail if I have sex with someone without consent and I'm not HIV positive.

I'd never press charges against any woman who wasn't HIV positive who totally had sex with me without my consent. Unless she wasn't attractive or huge.

Then I'm calling 9-11

dj_patm · 02-10-2010, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Flames_Gimp

dude you said serious disabilities..not trying to make you look bad, doing a good job on your own haha

Serious genetic disabilites where the person cannot make a full, thought through decision.

Is that you?

Well then...

Flames_Gimp · 02-10-2010, 04:54 PM

I think Oiler fans should definitely not be allowed to reproduce..

pylon · 02-10-2010, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by dj_patm

Serious genetic disabilites where the person cannot make a full, thought through decision.

Is that you?

Well then...

Traditional_Ale · 02-10-2010, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by dj_patm

Serious genetic disabilites where the person cannot make a full, thought through decision.

Is that you?

Flames_Gimp · 02-10-2010, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by dj_patm

Serious genetic disabilites where the person cannot make a full, thought through decision.

Is that you?

Well then...

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Originally Posted by dj_patm

If there is one thing that shouldn't be allowed its having kids if you have a serious genetic disability.

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Flames_Gimp · 02-10-2010, 04:59 PM

will there be a meltdown in the near future?

HPLovecraft · 02-10-2010, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by dj_patm

Serious genetic disabilites where the person cannot make a full, thought through decision.

You mean rape?

Because that's what that is. If they are incapable of even consenting to sex, it is rape. And that has to do with protecting a human's rights, not limiting them.

dj_patm · 02-10-2010, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Flames_Gimp

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Yeah okay should've specified in the first post that I ment people who couldn't make a proper decision. Which is what people started defending so I figured everyone got it.

Kjesse · 02-10-2010, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

No, you only sound like Hitler talking about mentally disabled people. I don't know your stance on Jews.

Love this... I was going to reply, "No but you're closer to his political views than anyone else in this thread"... but then saw I your reply which is much more succinct and clever, and is also funny.

HPLovecraft · 02-10-2010, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by dj_patm

Yeah okay should've specified in the first post that I ment people who couldn't make a proper decision. Which is what people started defending so I figured everyone got it.

You did not mean people that aren't able to form a complete thought or to consent to sex themselves. That is a completely unrelated matter.

You meant people with genetic, mental disabilities that may or may not have these disabilities passed down to their children.

That is what you said. And that they shouldn't be allowed to reproduce.

dj_patm · 02-10-2010, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

You mean rape?

Because that's what that is. If they are incapable of even consenting to sex, it is rape. And that has to do with protecting a human's rights, not limiting them.

What are you talking about.
The person, that I met (the one I mentioned earlier) was definitely not able to make a proper decision an issue like that.

When someones functioning at childs level does that qualify them to make decisions like that?

Decision to have sex is not the same as a decision to have children when there is a very high probability they will be mentally disabled.

Daradon · 02-10-2010, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by dj_patm

Yes I agree with his post except for when the person is mentally disabled and doesn't have the capability to make a fully informed and thought through decision.

Here is the crux of your argument correct?

Three things wrong with this.

1. There is no way to judge who is more or less fit fairly. Sure there may be some examples that seem to cry out 'this person isn't fit' but the whole excersise(why can't I spell that right?) is prejudiced and unfair. Not to mention that it would be impossible to 'draw a line' as not only conditions are different, but the ways in which people react to them are as well.

2. Non-mentally challenged people make bad and irresponsible reproductive choices too. Why challenge or penalize one group of society based on a chance they MIGHT, when every group does?

3. No one can judge what is 'thought through'. We all have our own ideas of what's important and what is of value to us. The way one person thinks something through, whether handicapped or not, is going to be different than the way another one thinks something through.

CaptainCrunch · 02-10-2010, 05:03 PM

Well Homely is definately a genetic disposition, so two really ugly people shouldn't be allowed to breed. Because honestly there are some ugly babies in this world that we the beautiful people could do without.

Frankly we'd be saving them a lifetime of pain, lonliness, and swirlies.

Yeah_Baby · 02-10-2010, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by dj_patm

What are you talking about.
The person, that I met (the one I mentioned earlier) was definitely not able to make a proper decision an issue like that.

When someones functioning at childs level does that qualify them to make decisions like that?

Decision to have sex is not the same as a decision to have children when there is a very high probability they will be mentally disabled.

You admitted you didn't even read the article. I'm sure if you did you would have spared yourself .

dj_patm · 02-10-2010, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

You did not mean people that aren't able to form a complete thought or to consent to sex themselves. That is a completely unrelated matter.

You meant people with genetic, mental disabilities that may or may not have these disabilities passed down to their children.

That is what you said.

No. I ment what I just posted.

You're saying that now yet everyone seemed to know exactly the issue I was arguing about.

Flames_Gimp · 02-10-2010, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by dj_patm

Yeah okay should've specified in the first post that I ment people who couldn't make a proper decision. Which is what people started defending so I figured everyone got it.

really though whats the difference? someone with physical disabilities might require help raising a child, might have a child born disabled, costing taxpayers money providing equipment and services...AISH etc.

where do you draw the line? smokers, alcoholics, drug users all have increased risk of producing disabled children..