How Famous Will Lady Gaga Get?

[dj_patm]

Originally Posted by Shnabdabber

That is another quality good musicians have is the ability to write something catchy. That has merit. In Lada Gaga's case though it is given such a spit shine from the label that it becomes nothing more than everything else. Meaning there is nothing there that is moving music forward. Her music is the standard de facto club dance crap that is single-handedly dumbing down the earth's populace... I have no doubt if she keeps her current pace up she be as big as Madonna, MJ, and that's says more about todays casual music listener's IQ than it does about her level of ability.

Can't believe I read in this thread that Lada Gaga is actually moving electronica forward. Really?

Um, There will never be a genre that just becomes Pop simply over night. You need to have acts like Lady Gaga to sort of make the basics of Electronica accepted. If it weren't for Lady Gaga, I can garuntee David Guetta would still be a virtual unknown here and he's a very respected House dj so his success is obviously a start. Samething with that Tik Tok song. It has tons of electro influence (listen to the verse) and if it weren't for Lady Gaga and Timbaland (his work with JT specifically) it would not be the hit it is today.

As we move along I can garutnee more and more Electronic music becomes mainstream (whether you like that or not is up to you). Its been popular in Europe since it was created and now North America is starting to catch up.

Electronica is clearly becoming more mainstream

[The Yen Man]

Music and art are all subjective. At the end of the day, the point of music is to entertain. If millions of people bought her album, then I equate that to success. With mainstream success comes the music snobs to discredit it. That will never change. But in my mind, if Lady Gaga sells more albums than Cannibal Corpses, then to me, she's a better musician because her music appealed to more people. You can give me whatever argument you want about the technicalities of music, but it's not going to change my mind.

For the record, I don't particularly like Lady Gaga all that much, but at least it's still listenable and can carry a beat. To me, hard metal is nothing but garbage since it's just noise screeching into my ears.

[JustAnotherGuy]

Originally Posted by Shnabdabber

He was a punch line for the better part of 15 years. Now he's viewed as the best thing to ever happen to pop. Since he's dead all the fans are coming out of the closet... maybe "everyone" is a bit generalized but its amazing how its kinda cool to listen to him now whereas before noone outside of the Former Yugoslavia, Germany or Croatia would openly admit to liking him.
Michael Jackson was a fantastic entertainer with a great voice, but I wouldn't call him much of an artist. My opinion anyways.

lol. See you are doing it again. I respect your opinon but your generalizations are invalid.

I have a few of his cds and I like his music and I have always said I like his music and I was born in Canada and lived here all my life.

Yes, he has been a punch line for too many years. But he earned those punch lines.

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

Music and art are all subjective. At the end of the day, the point of music is to entertain. If millions of people bought her album, then I equate that to success. With mainstream success comes the music snobs to discredit it. That will never change. But in my mind, if Lady Gaga sells more albums than Cannibal Corpses, then to me, she's a better musician because her music appealed to more people. You can give me whatever argument you want about the technicalities of music, but it's not going to change my mind.

I just bolded the parts that I particularly disagree with, but make no mistake, this entire post is a fail.

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

I just bolded the parts that I particularly disagree with, but make no mistake, this entire post is a fail.

Pretty much as much fail as your response, but meh, you're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine.

[ynwa03]

I know a lot of you old farts and/or metal heads will dismiss her as a cookie cutter corprate popstar but she truely is talented. If you think she is cookie cutter then I suggest you listen to this song:

If she's so talented why does she feel the need to dress the way she does? It seems like she wants to maximize her publicity through her controversial videos and clothing. Talent usually speaks for itself.

[dj_patm]

Yeah, that could be it. Or she just likes dressing up as a freak and has the money to do it.

She could very well be that messed up. Doesn't make her any less talented. And if it's a gimmick then whatever, its working.

[Ren]

Originally Posted by ynwa03

I know a lot of you old farts and/or metal heads will dismiss her as a cookie cutter corprate popstar but she truely is talented. If you think she is cookie cutter then I suggest you listen to this song:

If she's so talented why does she feel the need to dress the way she does? It seems like she wants to maximize her publicity through her controversial videos and clothing. Talent usually speaks for itself.

I don't know, why does Elton John dress the way he does? Would you argue that he's not talented because of the way he dresses?

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

I just bolded the parts that I particularly disagree with, but make no mistake, this entire post is a fail.

If music isn't meant to entertain, then what is it for?

[3 Justin 3]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

They are a pretty extreme metal band, but they seriously dominate as musicians. Drumming, bass and guitars are very technical. That is what I call talent, yet most people will hate what they produce.

The music they make for some reason sounds perfectly good to my brain. Music is very strange.

Dude, listen to Kalmah. They are the greatest band ever, and their band isn't even their job, the guitarist's main job is a computer programmer. I find that incredible when they make the greatest music ever.

[3 Justin 3]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

Music and art are all subjective. At the end of the day, the point of music is to entertain. If millions of people bought her album, then I equate that to success. With mainstream success comes the music snobs to discredit it. That will never change. But in my mind, if Lady Gaga sells more albums than Cannibal Corpses, then to me, she's a better musician because her music appealed to more people. You can give me whatever argument you want about the technicalities of music, but it's not going to change my mind.

For the record, I don't particularly like Lady Gaga all that much, but at least it's still listenable and can carry a beat. To me, hard metal is nothing but garbage since it's just noise screeching into my ears.

WTF? All this means is she is a conformist. Sure, I could write simplistic guitar riffs and have all my music sound the same and sell millions upon millions of albums (Nickelback). Or I could write technical riffs with crazy solos and not sell that many records (Necrophagist).

Popularity DOES NOT equal talent or a person being a better musician.

I mentioned Kalmah above (just suggesting Naga to listen to them), but their guitar Anti Kokko could write a better song than Lady Gaga ever could that would appeal to the masses. Youtube him, he kicks ass.


And if you really want me to be a dick I could always bring up guitarists such as Yngwie Malmsteen, Joe Satriani who are among the best musicians of our time but they don't sell as many records as Lady Gaga.

[Hack&Lube]

Haven't we had this discussion about the subjective worth of music already?

I recall the Yen Man saying some crazy things in that one too

[Vulcan]

Coming from an old fart, I don't mind Lady Ga Ga, she's at least entertaining and can carry a tune. Her writing ability isn't that great but at least she's doing it and I hope she gets really good at it. We need some good singer songwriters. Most of the pop stuff out today is awful though you can take that with a grain of salt, as I hardly ever listen to the radio anymore.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by 3 Justin 3

And if you really want me to be a dick I could always bring up guitarists such as Yngwie Malmsteen, Joe Satriani who are among the best musicians of our time but they don't sell as many records as Lady Gaga.

If this was a Guitar forum, you'd be crucified by some for having Malmsteen in there as nothing but a shredder with no tone. Satch is great but he and Vai are almost cliches as well in the usual pantheon "Guitar Gods"

Everybody has wildly different tastes. Personally I think that Prince is the best guitarist in the world because I have seen and heard the stuff he does live but never puts on his albums but I know many people won't agree with that. Keep in mind Steve Vai said Prince was the best guitarist in the world as well.

I'd love to prove my point with Youtube but Prince is a ######bag and gets people's youtube accounts (mine) cancelled for hosting his stuff.

Yen Man is right about one thing. Music is subjective - but he's totally wrong in the other thing. I don't believe that the popularity of the musician among the masses reflects on how good they are musically. It's usually more a case of how little experience the masses have had with a wide variety of music leading to the popularity of very narrow and usually bad tastes, and being influenced by marketing and exposure more than anything that creates mass popularity and album sales.

[dj_patm]

Originally Posted by 3 Justin 3

WTF? All this means is she is a conformist. Sure, I could write simplistic guitar riffs and have all my music sound the same and sell millions upon millions of albums (Nickelback). Or I could write technical riffs with crazy solos and not sell that many records (Necrophagist).

Popularity DOES NOT equal talent or a person being a better musician.

I mentioned Kalmah above (just suggesting Naga to listen to them), but their guitar Anti Kokko could write a better song than Lady Gaga ever could that would appeal to the masses. Youtube him, he kicks ass.


And if you really want me to be a dick I could always bring up guitarists such as Yngwie Malmsteen, Joe Satriani who are among the best musicians of our time but they don't sell as many records as Lady Gaga.

You make it sound like writing a hit is the easiest thing on the planet? Then why haven't you done it? Or anyone you know? Or you're Cannibal Corpse?

I'd love to see your little guitarist make a hit. Or write a song that doesn't sound like Metal garbage.

[Igottago]

This is a strange thread. Why are Lady Gaga and Cannibal Corpse the reference point for defining quality music?

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by dj_patm

You make it sound like writing a hit is the easiest thing on the planet? Then why haven't you done it? Or anyone you know? Or you're Cannibal Corpse?

I'd love to see your little guitarist make a hit. Or write a song that doesn't sound like Metal garbage.

There has to be some internet forum law that describes the "if you don't think (something that I value personally) is good, you try doing it (some difficult or life commitment requiring feat of training and performance) before your criticize it" argument.

Writing a hit is easy. Look at Nickelback and how they basically just do the same thing over and over again. A hit is made moreso by marketing and exposure to the masses than actual musical talent in terms of the record industry.

I don't gauge musical worth at all on popularity. I think that is the worst possible basis on which to form your own musical tastes.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by Igottago

This is a strange thread. Why are Lady Gaga and Cannibal Corpse the reference point for defining quality music?

You have to remember that this thread is basically a 19 year old arguing with a 20 year old about their favorite music.

[CaptainCrunch]

You know, after thinking about this while I was washing my car, you know, the whole writing her own stuff argument I took a look at her lyrics. Maybe she shouldn't take credit for writing her own lyrics

Paparrazi

We are the crowd, we're c-comin' out
Got my flash on, it's true
Need that picture of you
It so magical, we'd be so fantastical

Leather and jeans, garage glamorous
Not sure what it means
But this photo of us it don't have a price
Ready for those flashing light
'Cause you know that baby, I

I'm your biggest fan, I'll follow you until you love me
Papa, paparazzi
Baby, there's no other superstar, you know that I'll be
Your papa, paparazzi

Promise I'll be kind
But I won't stop until that boy is mine
Baby, you'll be famous, chase you down until you love me
Papa, paparazzi

I'll be your girl backstage at your show
Velvet ropes and guitars
Yeah, cause you're my rock star in between the sets
Eyeliner and cigarettes . . .


Love games

et's have some fun,
This beat is sick
I wanna take a ride on your disco stick

Let's have some fun,
This beat is sick
I wanna take a ride on your disco stick

I wanna kiss you
But if I do then I might miss you babe
It's complicated and stupid

Got my ass squeezed my sexy cupid
Guess he wants to play,
Wants to play
A love game
A love game

Hold me and love me
Just want touch you for a minute
Maybe three seconds is enough for my heart to quit it.

Let's have some fun,
This beat is sick
I wanna take a ride on your disco stick
Don't think too much just bust that kick
I wanna take a ride on your disco stick

Let's play a love game,
Play a love game
Do you want love or you want fame?
Are you in the game?
Dans le love game?

Let's play a love game,
Play a love game
Do you want love or you want fame?
Are you in the game?
Dans le love game?

I'm on a mission,
And it involves some heavy touchin' yeah.
You've indicated your interest,
I'm educated in sex yes.
And now I want it bad,
Want it bad.
A love game,
A love game. . . .


Poker face

Mum mum mum mah
Mum mum mum mah

I wanna hold em' like they do in Texas Plays
Fold em' let em' hit me raise it baby stay with me (I love it)
Lovegame and intuition play the cards with Spades to start
And after he's been hooked I'll play the one that's on his heart

Oh, oh, oh, oh, ohhhh, ohh-oh-e-ohh-oh-oh
I'll get him hot, show him what I've got
Oh, oh, oh, oh, ohhhh, ohh-oh-e-ohh-oh-oh,
I'll get him hot, show him what I've got

Can't read my,
Can't read my
No he can't read my poker face
(she’s got to love nobody)
Can't read my
Can't read my
No he can't read my poker face
(she’s got to love nobody)

P-p-p-poker face, p-p-poker face
(Mum mum mum mah)
P-p-p f@@k her face, p-p-p f@@k her face
(Mum mum mum mah)

I wanna roll with him a hard pair we will be
A little gambling is fun when you're with me I love it)
Russian Roulette is not the same without a gun
And baby when it's love if its not rough it isn't fun, fun
[Poker Face Lyrics On http://www.elyricsworld.com/ ]
Oh, oh, oh, oh, ohhhh, ohh-oh-e-ohh-oh-oh
I'll get him hot, show him what I've got
Oh, oh, oh, oh, ohhhh, ohh-oh-e-ohh-oh-oh,
I'll get him hot, show him what I've got


I don't think we should count her lyrics as her strength. I still think she's an average singer who's been auto tuned out the wazu. I still think she's just another musical marketing campaign.

Hopefully she'll fade away to the freak show where she comes from.

[SebC]

Terrible stage name choice.