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Red · 01-10-2010, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackArcher101

I don't think removing Leno from The Tonight Show was their greatest blunder. I think it was keeping him on tv in a similar role, taking most of his past viewers with him (and away from the current Tonight Show). If Leno had left completely and Conan took over his viewers, would we even be having this discussion? NBC saturated the market.

It's sort of similar to an agent, who has a "book". Let's say they hire to replace Agent 'A' and hire Agent 'B' to do so. They want Agent 'B' to become even better than 'A' used to be. Unfortunately, Agent 'A' has decided after the fact to stay and keep his book to himself, instead of letting Agent 'B' take it over. The agents' clients will tend to stick with the agent, not the company (or in this case, tv show) they are representing. Some people who liked Leno moved with Leno and this left Conan (agent 'B') with an uphill battle.

Poor decision making at NBC.

Then Leno would take viewers to a different network.
Bottom line is that Leno is the best in the bussiness and NBC made a blunder by changing the Tonight Show. Did they ruin it? Not yet, but they are getting close. What a shame.

If it ain't broken.....

Conan was doing better in his Late show too so again, if it ain't broken.....

Jordan! · 01-10-2010, 07:08 PM

Best in the business.. I beg to differ. He just caters to a larger audience.

jhunt223 · 01-10-2010, 07:09 PM

Conan has been awful ever since the time change. Awful. I'm pretty sure it's a bad career move for him to accept a later time slot at NBC now. Should shop himself around at other networks and make sure that he can start doing a type of show that he can actually be good at.

HelloHockeyFans · 01-10-2010, 07:27 PM

I'm pretty sure I'm gonna be in the minority here but I'm a huge Letterman fan. I find him absolutely hilarious... just the way he presents a joke... his awkwardness and his quirks.

HPLovecraft · 01-10-2010, 07:36 PM

I don't find any of these late night personalities funny in the least, except for Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert. The only two worth watching, IMO.

d_phaneuf · 01-10-2010, 07:45 PM

count me in with the others who have hated conan since the move from 1230 to 1130

the shoe was so much better when it was Late night, Part of the blame probly goes to Andy but I think more of it was just that it was a perfect formula on late night. The set, New York etc.

Feel bad for him, I hope he stays and takes this as a sign to focus on what made him so funny/popular

Good for Jay Leno though, I felt bad that he got railroaded by NBC/Conan out of a job. When he was the number 1 guy.

HotHotHeat · 01-10-2010, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

I don't find any of these late night personalities funny in the least, except for Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert. The only two worth watching, IMO.

You don't find Craig Furgeson funny?

Hemi-Cuda · 01-10-2010, 09:01 PM

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You don't find Craig Furgeson funny?

i find him hit or miss. he's probably the best in the business at doing monologues, but some of his skits are just downright terrible. it also doesn't help that his guests are a who's who of who's that, leading to incredibly dull interviews

HOZ · 01-10-2010, 10:16 PM

Leno had the big audience. Conan lost it. Pretty simple.

Barnes · 01-10-2010, 10:17 PM

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Wow, I dunno about you guys, but this whole fiasco makes Leno look like a ######bag. Leno went well over his expiry date and is just trying to hang onto whatever fame he can get instead of gracefully stepping aside for Conan. Leno should've figured out that the low ratings (even when every other talk show was doing reruns except him) was because people are tired of him

I hope Conan jumps ship from NBC caving to Leno's demands

Patton Oswalt had a great take on Scott Aukerman's Comedy Death Ray. In short, most comedians don't have much respect for Leno and they do the show only because they should.

Letterman was a huge Carson fan and took what he saw, said how can I make this better and did. Conan did the same with Letterman. Jay Leno just wanted the Tonight Show and didn't really change much. Most of his segments are just old Paar or Carson segments.

Letterman did his time, Conan did his, Leno was handed everything for some reason. A real talented stand up at one time, now he just reads questions given to him by movie studios. He gets stars there to pimp their new crap not guys like Norm McDonald that show just cause they are funny. I would much rather watch Letterman take his guests out of their element by making them uncomfortable or Conan getting his guests to make fun of themselves.

d_phaneuf · 01-11-2010, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Barnes

Patton Oswalt had a great take on Scott Aukerman's Comedy Death Ray. In short, most comedians don't have much respect for Leno and they do the show only because they should.

Letterman was a huge Carson fan and took what he saw, said how can I make this better and did. Conan did the same with Letterman. Jay Leno just wanted the Tonight Show and didn't really change much. Most of his segments are just old Paar or Carson segments.

Letterman did his time, Conan did his, Leno was handed everything for some reason. A real talented stand up at one time, now he just reads questions given to him by movie studios. He gets stars there to pimp their new crap not guys like Norm McDonald that show just cause they are funny. I would much rather watch Letterman take his guests out of their element by making them uncomfortable or Conan getting his guests to make fun of themselves.

yet Leno's monologue i by far the most popular of all the current late night hosts and he you really never hear a bad word said about him, he seems like a genuinely nice guy. And he isn't really a celebrity guy, he doesn't hang out with other comedians he hangs out in his garage.

He isn't popular among most comedians because his stuff is sort of geared to the average person, not the comedy fan.

I don't think Leno looks bad through this at all, if anyone went behind someones back it was Conan when he signed his contract in 2004 that basically said Jay Leno would lose the Tonight show in 2009. Jay didn't want to lose it, and he was the top rated guy by a large margin (which in tv is all that matters). And you can say that it was handed to him and he didn't earn the tonight show, yet he got it to the number one show ahead of dave, so I dont think NBC really regrets passing on Letterman.

Now that Conan's tonight show has proven to be a failure (in the ratings and for a lot of people in content) its not surprising NBC is giving the time slot back to the person who never should have lost it.

I like both of them, I just hope this leads to Conan's show going back to what it was before it moved to LA.

troutman · 01-11-2010, 10:10 AM

Conan skewers NBC:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_417221.html

"We've got a great show for you tonight. I have no idea what time it will air - but it's going to be a great show," Conan said during his monologue last night.

"NBC is going to throw me and Jay in a pit with sharpened sticks. The one who crawls out gets to leave NBC," he quipped. "That is an appealing proposition."

A move to Fox might be good for Conan - he won't have to water down the show there.

Conan looking to leave NBC?

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/nationa...5MI5Pv8udof1LJ

"He's done a great job for NBC. He moved his entire staff, he moved his family to LA. And five months later, they repay him like this?"

As it stands now, the source said, "Conan would be happier somewhere else."

The pompadoured host has "many options," including a move to Fox, which for years has been looking to create its own late-night show.

Network Chairman Jeff Gaspin confirmed that he was pushing a new late-night arrangement: Leno at 11:35 p.m., hosting a half-hour show, and Conan at 12:05 a.m. hosting the one-hour "The Tonight Show."

Jimmy Fallon's "Late Night" would then be pushed back to the remarkably late -- or super early -- hour of 1:05 a.m.

"My goal is to keep Jay, Conan and Jimmy as our late-night lineup," Gaspin said.

awildermode · 01-11-2010, 10:51 AM

not sure if anything good (for NBC) can come out of this. not the best way to deal with such big egos in Leno, O'Brien, and Fallon.

Hack&Lube · 01-11-2010, 10:58 AM

There's no room for 3 guys at NBC, and Carson Daly just got screwed out of his timeslot and show completely.

I think Conan has got to move to Fox or something. NBC majorly messed up.

octothorp · 01-11-2010, 11:00 AM

It's pretty clear that this isn't about Conan vs. Letterman ratings, which are pretty even in key demographics: NBC announced that Conan beat Letterman in the 18-49 demographic, while CBS announced that Letterman beat Conan in the 25-54 demographic.

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2010/01/04...-quarter/37565
http://tvbythenumbers.com/2010/01/04...-winners/37559

In other words, they're pretty close in 25-49 demographic, but Conan has more in the 18-25 demographic, while Dave has more in the 49-54 demographic. If you're NBC, it's not reason enough to pull the plug on the current lineup, especially if you're looking at the long-term investment.

If you look at the 18-54 demographic as being the important one, The trend is that every year, Conan's performance against Dave will improve as young viewers enter the demographic, and older viewers leave the demographic. People don't easily change their allegiances: talk shows provide a comfortable familiarity. The young people who begin to watch Conan now will still be watching him in fifteen years, and there's no reason to think that he won't be the best-rated talk-show host during that time.

Table 5 · 01-11-2010, 11:01 AM

Fox seems like a great fit for Conan. It's the quirky, weird, and sometimes genius brother of the big 3 networks, just like he is.

Make it crappen, Conan.

Yeah_Baby · 01-11-2010, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

There's no room for 3 guys at NBC, and Carson Daly just got screwed out of his timeslot and show completely.

I think Conan has got to move to Fox or something. NBC majorly messed up.

Whoa, hold up a second? Carson Daly is still alive?

corporatejay · 01-11-2010, 11:38 AM

Simmons is suggesting Conan go to Comedy Central after Stewart and Colbert at 12:05, that way he'd be allowed to be himself and do what he likes. Conan is better doing what he's good at, catering to a smaller particular audience, his show doesn't work watered down to the 65 year olds who watch Leno.

Yeah_Baby · 01-11-2010, 11:41 AM

Which is why Leno is so popular. Very 'middle of the road'.

Playfair · 01-11-2010, 12:12 PM

I hope Conan walks and does his own style of show. He seems handcuffed because of the traditions of Tonight.
I think it is not very professional the way the network has done all of this. Conan will really end up being the odd man out.
He moved his staff and family out to Cali, and now he is getting the shaft. It is not the most professional thing I have ever seen, but NBC is good at screwing up their late night lineup!